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Religious beliefs need to stop.
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop.
(August 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm)Rationalman Wrote: That is not the point I was making. You said something about benefits of knowing the existence of god. The benefits and negatives are what I am talking about. Your argument reeked of an appeal to Pascal's wager

I don't believe you're going to hell or anything you're just missing out on something that's all.

Quote:You have not demonstrated the likely hood of a god existing, all you have done is argue over interpretations of the bible

The universe exists, we exist, the universe is very very very very complex, we wouldn't exist if the universe wasn't precisely as very very very very complex as it is and we physically are the most complex part of the universe. Therefore we would be unlikely to be a coincidental byproduct but the central product of a complex designed order created by a supreme intelligence that human intelligence mirrors (i.e made in Gods image).

The universe began to exist, everything that begins to exist must have a cause therefore the universe had a cause that was not the universe itself. The cause of the universe must be eternal as from nothing comes nothing, and it must exist independently from the universe else be part of the very thing you're trying to explain. Therefore the cause will have brought what we know to exist into existence out of nothing that actually exists, but rather from the mind/will of the ultimate being in question. Being a cause without a cause the cause itself would therefore would be self explanatory within itself, eternally existent within itself, beyond time/space and the ultimate explanation for the universe that we experience as existent as humans.

If you want the full details of how God created the universe then there is some shit here if you're interested. I'm not particularly using this to back any of my points but it's interesting. Certainly the universe is built upon a very precise and balanced mathematical framework, there is some noticeable order and pattern within it certainly.







Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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Religious beliefs need to stop. - by The Reality Salesman - August 25, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Jackalope - August 25, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Chas - August 25, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by freedomfromforum - August 25, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Napoléon - August 25, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by freedomfromforum - August 25, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Minimalist - August 25, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Minimalist - August 25, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by CleanShavenJesus - August 25, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by CleanShavenJesus - August 25, 2013 at 1:48 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by freedomfromforum - August 25, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by CleanShavenJesus - August 25, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Walking Void - August 25, 2013 at 2:29 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 3:20 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by CleanShavenJesus - August 25, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by CleanShavenJesus - August 25, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 5:03 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by CleanShavenJesus - August 25, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by catfish - August 25, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Silver - August 25, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Silver - August 25, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 2:10 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Silver - August 25, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by CleanShavenJesus - August 25, 2013 at 2:53 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 25, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 25, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 25, 2013 at 6:05 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 25, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 25, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Angrboda - August 25, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 5:14 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 25, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Minimalist - August 25, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 25, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 7:50 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Captain Colostomy - August 26, 2013 at 8:12 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 8:15 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 8:46 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 8:49 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 9:08 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 10:40 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by downbeatplumb - August 26, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 9:14 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by downbeatplumb - August 26, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 9:42 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 9:51 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 9:54 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 10:00 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 10:02 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Psykhronic - August 26, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 10:55 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by max-greece - August 26, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 11:38 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by max-greece - August 26, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by downbeatplumb - August 26, 2013 at 1:43 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Minimalist - August 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Esquilax - August 26, 2013 at 3:58 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 5:20 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 5:31 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 5:35 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 5:51 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Silver - August 26, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 5:57 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 6:52 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Jackalope - August 26, 2013 at 6:55 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 7:25 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Jackalope - August 26, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Esquilax - August 27, 2013 at 2:09 am
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Sword of Christ - August 26, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 7:19 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Wolf - August 26, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Bad Writer - August 26, 2013 at 10:35 pm
RE: Religious beliefs need to stop. - by Walking Void - August 26, 2013 at 10:33 pm

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