(August 27, 2013 at 8:51 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:(August 27, 2013 at 8:38 am)Rationalman Wrote: How do you know they loved him, because they said so?
They wouldn't have been his followers if they didn't?
Quote:I'll let you in on a little secret, everybody lies
What advantage did they gain by lying about this? They got themselves oppressed and martyred in Christs name? That sounds like a good motivation to me does that. You clearly understand human nature. You can imagine them hatching their plot "Hey lets steal Jesus body from the tomb, claim he has come back from the dead and we can become an oppressed minority outcast within Jewish society!"
Let's say for arguments' sake that Jesus was a real bonafide prophet flesh and blood. And I am one of Christs' followers, and I think he's going to bring about the Jewish uprising like everyone thought. But instead the dunce goes and gets himself killed, with no fight whatsoever. Yeah I know this is upsetting you: get over it. I'm left with nothing but a name, a name renowned around the communities (do you even have any proof that this was the case?). I have no meaning left. So how do I go on now? How can I get what I want, which is freedom for my people at best and free room and board at worst? Hmmm well pretending he was a god is a good idea; that he's supernatural. Then I can go around and still teach his teachings and get all the bounties that come with having followers in his name. His popular name. You ask me what the motivation is I will flood you with all the things people have bought in Christs' name with money given to them in the belief that Christ is the only way to heaven. What's more is why do I want the Jews freed from oppression? Surely there's a reason. Could it be the financial and political issues they undermine? The limits they put on the Jewish citizens? Yes, that seems more logical than for no reason.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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