Scientific method proves order cannot exist w/o intelligence

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Arguing from the bible or its so called divine authority is counter productive and at the same time invalid in this type of discussion, since in order to do so everyone would have to accept the bible as a divine source of revelation. As atheists I can say with much confidence that I speak for all atheists when I say that we don't accept the bible as the word of god or of divine inspiration. In my opinion any atheist who does is quite rare indeed. I have stated many times that one thing I have issue with is where does man get his idea or concept of god or gods per say? Gods were in my view created by man to explain what was once unknown to man in a pre-scientific age. There is plenty of evidence to support this in world mythologies that date back thousands of years ago. As knowledge grew those myths also had to be modified to try to keep up with mans ever expanding knowledge of the world and universe we inhabit.

Everything Christians claim to know about their god (characteristics, personality, his laws etc.) come from the bible. The bible is the foundation of all of Christianity and any Christian who disagrees with that is in my opinion not a Christian but something else. Christians or any theists for that matter cannot prove that god or gods exist because god only exists in the mind. What you claim to feel is highly subjective since feelings are subject to interpretation by the one feeling them based on what knowledge he associates with those feelings. Thus, feelings are invalid as well. There is no scientific way to prove the existence of god because science and faith are two systems of thought that are completely inconsistent with one another.

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"The bible is the foundation of all of Christianity and any Christian who disagrees with that is in my opinion not a Christian but something else" That is emphaticallly wrong. The foundation of "Christ"ianity is "Christ". Christianity has many foundations for it's doctrines in the bible; but, the thing that seperates Christianity from other religions is their belief in Christ is the son of God and that he is the gateway to salvation. I agree there is no scientific way to prove God, nor should there be. Perhaps science (testing of the tangible) and the spiritual (testing of the intangible) was what you were trying to get at.
I agree that the concept or idea of God only exists in the mind. That doesn't mean that there is something inside or outside our universe that could fit the definition of our idea of God. Maybe a scientist's definition of a quantum singularity or the source of dark energy will end up being the same definition as a layman's idea of God one day. Until that day when science and belief meet, I'm content to let you have yours and I'll have mine with no slanders or ill will.

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Above supporting my statement that all atheists want to do is pick apart an argument cover it in every, smarmy comment, historically fallacious argumentative data, pages of historic "evidence" until the idea gets so chopped up and reconstituted it's unrecognizable.

No I said "I can't even be an expert in my own opinion because God is an Argument From Authority."

The authority referenced is God's revelations to me personally reflecting in my intuition and personal opinion and not the bible.

I will admit that God's imaginary the second atheists admit God exists. No qualifiers, no double-entendre, no excess wording, simple.

Well of course we pick apart arguments, what did you expect? we're atheists and therefore sceptics.

And if your argument can't withstand scrutiny and examination then it's not much of an argument.

"historically fallacious argumentative data" in what way is it fallacious???

Because it disagrees with the Bible??

And I have to ask, how did God communicate his revelations personally to you?

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Miracles, intuition, synchronicity, answering prayers, near death experience, etc. all admittedly subjective.

I will admit that God's imaginary the second atheists admit God exists.

I admit god exists in your imagination. If atheists would admit god exists, then they wouldn't be atheists. Funny how they are defined that way.

Admit even. As if we deny it.

Well which one is it? I knew Ledo couldn't leave it unqualified. Well then I admit God is imaginary to you.