RE: Christians, why are you hear (If you want to convert atheists read this)
September 5, 2013 at 2:24 am
(September 4, 2013 at 11:30 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 4, 2013 at 12:02 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Explain the distinction between God's list of requirements and God's laws.I did that in the president analogy above.
If the president has certain criteria that has to be met inorder for you to have an audience with him, are these requirements considered to be national law? Are they considered to be on par with our child labor laws, or our laws against slavery? Or are these simply prerequisites one must meet inorder to have a sit down with the president?
The same is true for God. A/S/K is not law. A/S/K is what one must do for Proof, in the way of receiving the Holy Spirit. Fore what better 'proof' of God than God the Holy Spirit interceding and interacting with you? Guiding you the hard times and giving you hope when you should not have any. Receiving the Holy Spirit is not a command, nor law. It's a gift offered to us, one we all do not have to have or even completely understand in order to simply be saved.
(September 4, 2013 at 11:27 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: [quote='Drich' pid='502454' dateline='1378351138']It was rhetorical. Questions like the ones that follow are the reason that 'self delusion' is not a viable diagnosis for the whole of any religion. There are far too many people asking far too many questions inorder for self delusion to be the one size fits all diagnosis some make it out to be.
Then why have so many of you fallen away from the faiths of your fathers?
(I'm not speaking to one person alpo I'm speaking of those who are members here that grew up in Christianity, and have fallen away.)
Quote:Because there is a whole lot of question that your god doesn't stand up to.Don't get sigs on a tablet.
1. read my sig
Quote:2. If god is all powerful and can create anythng, can he make a rock that is too heavy for him to lift?Only if He wanted to.
God's description of Himself is not all powerful. It is alpha and omega the beginning and end of all things. Which means He has the power and authority to choose whom ever He wants to be, and as such is not bound by some silly doctrine of man that can be used to create a paradox.
If God wants to make a rock so big... He can, if He does not want to, then He does not have to. Again that what it means to be alpha and omega. In short it means one is not bound to a title or perception to act or behave a certain way.
Quote:3. Why did he create satan knowing he rebel?So, Satan could offer us Choice in the Garden, and though out the reign of man.
Quote:4. Why did he put the tree of good and evil in the garden knowing that eve or adam could never follow his instructionactually the opposite was true. Adam followed the Instructions of God for an undisclosed amount of time. It could have been trillions of years. We don't know exactly. We do know it only came to an end when satan was allowed to tempt eve.
Quote:beause he failed to teach them right from wrong, and then did nt even know what death was.Taking from the tree of knowledge was not about right and wrong it was about life and death. To say Adam did not know about death is foolishness. Nothing in the bible says anything besides God, Adam and Eve were immortal in the garden.
Quote:5.How can a being defined as love torment people for eternity, because of thought crimes during a finite life?How do you know 'we' are tortured for eternity? The bible says Hell is eternal, and that Satan's punishment in Hell will be eternal, but it says nothing to the effect that we in Hell will be. Matter of fact when Christ warns of us of Hell He warns that it will consume us. Not sustain us forever.
Quote:6. Where did canes wife comehttp://atheistforums.org/thread-14190.ht...=Evolution
lets see if you can handle those because I have more.
Oh, no the promise of more questions...
Bring it sport, lets see what you've got. Promise me one thing, you do your worst, and at the end when I answer YOUR 50 best questions, you make one of two declarations. One, your right I was wrong and I will take another look at God. Two, even though I can not answer your points I still refuse to acknowledge God because by my FAITH and FAITH alone in my peers and 'education' I seem to have the freedom to live my life how I want to this way, and simply refuse to acknowledge God as a point of pride.
There you have it at 3. Your god is immoral.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
