RE: Christians, why are you hear (If you want to convert atheists read this)
September 5, 2013 at 3:57 pm
(This post was last modified: September 5, 2013 at 3:58 pm by Drich.)
(September 5, 2013 at 1:06 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: 1. It does not matter who wrote it, it still stands.what still stands?
Epericus? Again no. It fails because God does not identify Himself as Omni-Max. All this supposed paradox does is point out that the doctrines of a self proclaiming omni-max God is wrong.
Quote:2. Actually does describe himself as all powerfulUh, no. What you have is a list of verses that support the man made doctrine that God is indeed Omnipotent. Not that that doctrine is wrong mind you, but it does not meet the requirement that the supposed epericurean paradox requires inorder to properly work. In order for it to work God must claim to be All Knowing, Powerful, Loving etc... He doesn't claim this. He only ever identifies Himself as I already pointed out: I am/Alpha and Omega. No where in your barrage of verses does He claim to be Onmipotent, let alone Omni-max.
http://www.openbible.info/topics/omnipotence
Verese to back it up.
I can tell you for certain God's 'love' in the bible is very conditional. As in John 3:16 "For God so love the world that WHO SO EVER BELIEVES.." Which is a condition to eternal life and exposure to the love God offers..
which means again your paradox fails.
Quote:3. Your treatise on morality is basically special pleading. You see as there is no such thing as sin and the concept of sin itself is terrible because it has allowed all manner of evil to declare things like speaking out agianst them a sin and then easily have people punished for it.When or where did I do this?!?!?! I started out my 'treatise' by defining both sin and evil. In that Sin is Anything Not in the expressed will of God.
So I would ask to define sin.
Evil being a strong malcious act or will to be outside of God's expressed Will.
i NEVER Denied the existance of sin.
Quote:Now in practice we have seen that the golden rule and moral utilitarianism have far superior to any god(man) given rule.Hate to call you out sport (actually I enjoy it maybe too much) But according to Mt 7:12 "the Golden rule" is indeed a "God(man) given rule."
Quote:4. So your god is such a incompetent designer that what he made life that started to self destruct in the garden? Or were they injured, in that case why did he fail to make a safe enviroment?What is 'safe?' Mindless atonomy? is that what you want for yourself? are you willing to trade freedom for 'safty?' are you French by chance?
God provided Adam along with everyone else to follow a Choice. (as repersented by the existance of the tree in the garden for Adam) Satan is allowed to simply 'sell' the options of not being in God's expressed will. the choice is yours if you wish to seek redemption/refund for your purchase.
Quote:5.Actually your wrong matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”Again the bible does indeed say the punishment is eternal, no dispute there. But in order for your claim to be valid you must also show that the soul in eternal Hell is also eternal. All we have is verse 41 “Then the king will say to the evil people on his left, ‘Get away from me. God has already decided that you will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
more here
https://bible.org/article/what-bible-says-about-hell
Hell is eternal because it's primary residences are eternal. To say man will burn in Hell forever is speaking where the scriptures donot.
Quote:6. Well then why are we all are paying for adam's sin if we are not all descendant from him? Or did adam manage to produce children with every women on the planet when he was evicted from the garden?The history of man Bottle necks with Noah. As per the Geneology of Christ. Noah was a direct decendant of Adam. that means everyman alive today is a decendant of adam.