(September 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Drich Wrote:If everyone "knows" that god exists, then what need is there for belief... or lack thereof?(September 17, 2013 at 1:51 pm)pocaracas Wrote: That's why, to me, proof of the existence of the god of the bible comes in the form of it showing itself to everyone on the planet and imparting some of its knowledge...
If the guy only shows up to a handful of people, then you can't rule out any psychological effect... a vivid imagination... or plain lying.
And if God has done this, and everyone know there to be a God? I have observed only those who wish to go out of their way to not believe in God can do so.
(September 17, 2013 at 2:47 pm)Drich Wrote: Put what you believe aside for a moment and just look at the numbers of those who believe in a version of God verses those who don't. Again to me God has given us all a basic understanding of Him.
What is God to do with them?
Is He obligated to force Himself upon them?
It only serves to show that most people in the world follow what their ancestors were led to believe, due to sheer ignorance and gullibility.
We are, today, living a great time, a time of enlightenment, the age of information. It's possible that the majority of the human population today has access to information that was unthinkable just some 50 years ago... that's almost only one generation ago!
The wrong thinking of dozens of generations cannot be erased in one single generation... it's a slow-ish process. People like you will become less and less, because most will have access to the information that correctly categorizes whatever supernatural experiences they may think they have.
If there is a god like the one you wish exists, and it does want everyone on this planet to acknowledge that it does exist, then I fail to understand why would such a being hide itself, thus preventing a growing portion of humanity from acknowledging such existence. OH, but you've replied to this before.... if people knew about god, then they'd have no choice, no free will, on this particular seemingly very important matter... If it's that important, then I don't want my choice to be based on 1)where I'm born; 2)When I'm born; 3)Who I talk to; 4)other people (I know that these are somewhat redundant, but it's mostly to illustrate the point). Nor should anyone else's choice be based on such fallible and shaky grounds.