(September 17, 2013 at 4:34 pm)Zone Wrote: Why would you need supernatural beings you can't prove one way or the other for that?Why? I suppose it's either because we were designed such by supernatural beings, or evolved that way.
Quote:What about all the things and the people you know do exist for certain right here and now?Quite a few of those make me happy.
Quote:Why did things like that only happen thousands of years ago and not in our current media age where everyone could potentially see it happen? You could have had Christ resurrection or Moses parting of the Red Sea uploaded on Youtube if it ever happened today. But it seems to me like God holds off the miracles once a civilization enters a certain phase of development when they would be detectable and open to scrutiny.It seems to me that god holds off on miracles in general. Read the Bible. There aren't as many miracles as you think, most of them center around Moses and Jesus as you note, and centuries go by without any.
Quote:Why couldn't everything that exists just be a part of everything that naturally exists and always existed?Because it doesn't look like everything always existed.
Quote:What explanatory power does adding anything outside and beyond the natural world have?Quite a bit to a lot of people.
Quote:It's like if say ghosts were to exist perhaps there could be a natural explanation for them that science could study and we could understand what they are and how they're formed.Personally I don't see a real distinction between supernatural and natural. I suppose that Jesus could explain the mechanics of turning water into wine, for example.
Quote:This way you leave everything potentially open rather than saying "We can't know about this because it's magic".Er, you say that. Believers think we can know about it because it's been revealed by another intelligent entity.
Quote:You can't but that's the point, this could be entirely natural even the stuff that would seem supernatural to us because we wouldn't know how it works.So it would not be seen as miraculous, and there's no reason for god to do such things.
Quote:But if all the supernatural claims made by religion were true then modern science would be all over it and we would all be certain of the reality of these claims.Again, they wouldn't be considered supernatural.
