Part 3

[Drich]

I did not appeal to the popular belief of the masses as Ad populum states.

I said put your belief aside, and look at what the Majority of the world believes. The majority of the world 'right or wrong' believes in God one way or another. which means (for a thinking man anyway.) That pro-carrots caviate (God would make himself known to everyone) is indeed what has happened.

-for only a small minority go against what God put in their heart to say they believe there is no God.

I love how you took something that you don't believe and used it to prop up something that you do believe..........Your a slippery one Drich.


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What I believe is God puts a god shaped hole in all of our hearts, and itis up to us to fill that hole with God.

Some fill that God shaped hole with the only god they have around them, but yearn for more. while others are simply content with a patch the hole with the religion of their fathers. Then there are those who are simply in rebellion and go against everything in them that says there is a God, leaving those who earnestly seek God forsaking everything else.

Ultimatly circumstance along with a desire to either worship ourselves, to worship a method of worship, or a desire to worship God will determine what you believe.

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If everyone "knows" that god exists, then what need is there for belief... or lack thereof?

Simple belief in god is not the end Goal of those who A/S/K for Him. It is a personal relationship. This process merely starts at belief.

It only serves to show that most people in the world follow what their ancestors were led to believe, due to sheer ignorance and gullibility.

I do not disagree, for some do. However that is not to say ALL do.

We are, today, living a great time, a time of enlightenment,

So said buddha about 630BC

the age of information. It's possible that the majority of the human population today has access to information that was unthinkable just some 50 years ago...

Ah, no. appearently you do not have access to said information either or you would have looked up your facts before trying to preach them.
You and people like you live among the top 20% the rest of the world lives in such a mess the vast majority of the 20%'ers would simply curl up and die if made to live like everyone else.

You have no god because you can afford not to have one.

that's almost only one generation ago!
The wrong thinking of dozens of generations cannot be erased in one single generation... it's a slow-ish process. People like you will become less and less, because most will have access to the information that correctly categorizes whatever supernatural experiences they may think they have.

OMG seriously? You'd think you'd have checked your facts before you went out on such a limb.

If there is a god like the one you wish exists, and it does want everyone on this planet to acknowledge that it does exist, then I fail to understand why would such a being hide itself, thus preventing a growing portion of humanity from acknowledging such existence. OH, but you've replied to this before.... if people knew about god, then they'd have no choice, no free will, on this particular seemingly very important matter...

Well, at least you listen some of what i have said. A+

If it's that important, then I don't want my choice to be based on 1)where I'm born;2)When I'm born; 3)Who I talk to;

i don't thin that choice is yours to make. You are like the rest of us, responsiable for what you have been given. start at verse 14: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...rsion=NKJV

4)other people (I know that these are somewhat redundant, but it's mostly to illustrate the point). Nor should anyone else's choice be based on such fallible and shaky grounds.

Your reasoning has failed you here because you have assumed that everyone is held to the same absolute standard. When that is the furest thing from the truth. read the passage/parable above

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I did not appeal to the popular belief of the masses as Ad populum states.

I said put your belief aside, and look at what the Majority of the world believes. The majority of the world 'right or wrong' believes in God one way or another. which means (for a thinking man anyway.) That pro-carrots caviate (God would make himself known to everyone) is indeed what has happened.

-for only a small minority go against what God put in their heart to say they believe there is no God.

You're propping up your claim by pointing out that the majority believes it. That's ad populum.

no. If I were appealing to the majority of the people and the content of said belief that would be ad populm. I have completely seperated content from the majority of those who believe in a god, from their actual beliefs to answer a question based on the number of believer verses non believers. Because Po-carrots said if there was a God then people would be born to seek him out and worship Him, insisting falsly that we are born atheist. Which again requires a 'majority' based answer. More specifically that 'facts' show more people do try and worship God than those who do not. simply based on the numbers, which invalidates Po-carrots claim.

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I did not appeal to the popular belief of the masses as Ad populum states.

I said put your belief aside, and look at what the Majority of the world believes. The majority of the world 'right or wrong' believes in God one way or another. which means (for a thinking man anyway.) That pro-carrots caviate (God would make himself known to everyone) is indeed what has happened.

-for only a small minority go against what God put in their heart to say they believe there is no God.

OHOOHOHOHOHOHOH


From wiki which got it's info here:

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Christianity                                2.1 billion
Islam                                       1.5 billion
Secular*/Nonreligious*/Agnostic/Atheist     ≤ 1.1 billion
Hinduism                                    1 billion
Chinese traditional religion*               394 million
Buddhism*                                   376 million - 1.2 billion
Primal-Indigenous religions                 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic religions   100 million

Which god was that?

No god specifically. Just god in general. again we are born with a god shaped hole in our hearts. My whole arguement centers around the idea that we have to suppress this desire to worship a god, to make the claims you do. (That there is no god)

(Your wiki source, only stands to support my arguement.) In that we are built to worship a God.

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I know I've told you at least 1/2 a dozen times now.

Ask/Seek/Knock as out lined in luke 11:
5 And He said to them, “Which of you shall have a friend, and go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me on his journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within and say, ‘Do not trouble me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed; I cannot rise and give to you’? 8 I say to you, though he will not rise and give to him because he is his friend, yet because of his persistence he will rise and give him as many as he needs. 9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[d] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

If you receive the Holy Spirit/If you receive a measure of God to indewell you. What better proof of God than God Himself?

I just asked him and did not receive any part of the holy spirit. The above is bullshit.

Read the parable again sport. It tells you to Ask, Seek, and Knock=A/S/K not just ask.