Satan Disproves Christianity

[John V]

You can't decide for yourself why you think supernatural beings and powers are important?

It would help if your questions were more specific.

But all this has to be supplemented with a supernatural powers? The world isn't wondrous enough you? Is a garden without fairies at the bottom it less beautiful?

Yes. Same for you. Consider scientific explorations of origins. Is the night sky not wondrous and beautiful enough for you? Do you need an estimate of how old it is? Considering the ubiquity of origins explanations in human cultures, that seems to be a need hard-wired into us.

Joshua made the sun stand still, there's a talking donkey in there, there are visitations of various angels, the walls of Jericho, the earth opened and swallowed Korah, Samsons strength based on the length of his hair, Jonah living inside the belly of a whale/giant fish, hands being withered and then restored, natural elements controlled by prayer, people being consumed by holy fire, bears being summoned to kill people, there are raisings from the dead in there, people being miraculously healed of leprosy, Elishas bones restore the dead, people being cured of blindness, an entire army killed by an angel, time/the shadow of the sun is altered, the Ark of the Covenant and Gideons Magic fleece!

As I said, over the course of 4,000 years, there aren’t many miracles, and centuries go by without any.

Could these just be folktales as all cultures throughout the world have?

Sure.

We don't necessarily observe the totality of all that exists. The totality of everything could as natural as we are.

Could be. When you speculate outside that which we can observe, are you not invoking the supernatural yourself?

If he were alive today he would certainly win James Randhi's one million dollars. Where have all the supernatural mother fuckers who used to be around thousands of years gone to?

As noted, and as you demonstrated, miracles are few and far between in the Bible.

Heck, consider any biography or history. It seems like there’s always something fascinating going on – but that’s because it’s the fascinating things that are recorded.

It's been revealed by supernatural miracles that supposedly happened thousands of years ago but don't ever happen now that's the problem.

As noted, it’s to be expected. There’s nothing special about this generation. If we should be shown miracles, then all generations in all places should be shown them. But, if they’re occurring regularly, they won’t be taken as miraculous anymore.

And how do you know the Quran and the Book of Mormon weren't revealed by an intelligent entity? How do determine which one is what? There's a massive potential to believe in something that is a bit silly here.

Regarding the Koran, Muhammed didn’t show miraculous signs to back up his claims. Regarding both of them, if they claim an earlier revelation as a foundation, they need to maintain reasonable consistency with those revelations, and they don’t.

This guy believes were being controlled by shape shifting reptilian interdimensional aliens who live on the moon. And why not? It's no worse than religion would claim just a little more fleshed out. Whether he genuinely believes it or he's just making money from it I don't know but this what we're going to be open here.

See, you note an important consideration yourself – motivation. Muhammed and Joseph Smith seemed to gain much more personally from their ministries than Jesus or Paul.

So instead of awesome displays of power we have to make do with William Lane Craig talking shite?

God made awesome displays of power. You can believe them or not. As already explained, if he made them all the time, they would be considered natural.

Then why should the ones in the Bible ago be considered supernatural if they happened? The difference is we would be certain if anything like that happened today but it doesn't happen. So it could be it didn't happen back then either that's a good logical deduction.

If it happened today, that would do nothing for the people in the centuries between, or the centuries following. So, to be fair these things would need to be done all the time, and they would be considered natural.