RE: Evolution Trumps Creationism
September 23, 2013 at 8:17 am
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2013 at 8:22 am by Drich.)
(September 21, 2013 at 10:19 am)Zazzy Wrote:(September 21, 2013 at 9:41 am)Drich Wrote: I've acknoweledged the 7 day creation period as being a literal 7 days.So you are a biblical literalist?- I'm new here, so I don't know. I'm having some trouble with your line of thought.Man was created during those 7 days, but also evolved elsewhere on the planet?
Quote: But once that seven days was over it could have been trillions of eons between the end of creation and the fall of man. (which happened about 6000 years ago.)Is your position that the fall of man happened at least 10,000 years after humans domesticated the dog?
Quote:We simply do not know.We know a great deal about civilizations before 6,000 years ago. How does that square with what you are trying to say?
Quote:Again The creation account only records (more of less) what happenes in the Garden of Eden. I am suggesting God made Eden apart from what happens in the rest of the planet.This is hard to understand. So scores of human civilizations were going about their business while Adam and Eve were in the garden? How about Eve's punishment? Women were giving birth in great pain before Eve did a bad thing? Adam and Eve were in the garden while all other humans were evolving? I'm interested, I just can't get a grasp on your argument.
I've outlined everything here in my orginal thread. all of you question have been answered in the OP
http://atheistforums.org/thread-14190.html
(September 21, 2013 at 1:33 pm)Ryantology Wrote:(September 21, 2013 at 9:41 am)Drich Wrote: That's just it. The bible does not give a time line till after man leaves the garden. Man made in the Image of God, Man with a soul has only been out of the garden about 6000 years. We do not know how long Adam was in the garden. Meaning he could have possiably been in the garden as long as 'evolution' says it took to evolve from slime. If you read genesis 1 and 2 all of creation is from a garden perspective. Nothing aside from the Heavenly bodies are mentioned to be outside of Eden. leaving the rest of the world to figure things out and evolve on it's own.
Genesis 5:5: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
I see a very clear timeline: Adam died 930 years after the creation of the universe.
see the above post to Zazzy
(September 21, 2013 at 2:05 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote:(September 21, 2013 at 9:41 am)Drich Wrote: This is all one big red herring arguement. None of what you have said here addresses ANYTHING Being Discussed.This quote of mine follows my opening post perfectly:
It is appearent that You have Completely abandoned your orginal arguements, now that you know what is being said, and are attempting to appeal to christian sterotypes and the general disgust of your peers toward Christianity in order to try and win the arguement by popular opinion... You are like a floater circling the bowl as it is being flushed, marking up the sides of the bowl trying to stay a float. Let's see how many people reach out to your turd of an arguement and help you try and save it.
"This whole thread was about how everything on the Earth did not have individual starting points, that everything can be broken down into simpler and simpler forms, showing that everything in existence evolved from the same source. No supreme being designed every individual thing, because it has been determined, with greater clarity than any Biblical idea, that everything in existence evolved from the same source."
This sentence follows what I've been saying about you for a while:
"...because the theories don't fit with the original Biblical stories until you change the original message of the Bible to keep it from sounding dated and out of touch with human intelligence."
Red herring? I'm completely on track. You wanted me to address your ideas, so I did, step-by-step, showing ways that evolution has no place in the Bible unless you bend the facts. I have been providing what I think is ample evidence to my ideas and why they are more true than yours. I have even given you other sources of info - some that are decidedly neutral, and not atheist - that support my claims. How does that change anything? I'm just supplying back-up for my ideas, something you have yet to do.
Just because I'm supporting my ideas from another direction does not mean that I am detracting from our original argument. My statement still stands, the Bible makes no mention of evolution unless you add hypotheses to it. I make no such attempt to change the theory of evolution.
Not true.
Want proof of what I said about the efforts you highlighted in the above post? So would I. I would like you to take the time and prove that you have done all that you said you did. and I will show you how what you said is not true.
(September 22, 2013 at 4:38 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote:(September 18, 2013 at 10:59 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I think the biggest part of the problem is that idiot creatards cannot understand the difference between a mechanical contrivance and a biological entity capable of reproduction.
They are all fucking idiots.
It is pretty stupid to believe in magic.
(September 21, 2013 at 9:41 am)Drich Wrote: That's just it. The bible does not give a time line till after man leaves the garden. Man made in the Image of God, Man with a soul has only been out of the garden about 6000 years. We do not know how long Adam was in the garden. Meaning he could have possiably been in the garden as long as 'evolution' says it took to evolve from slime. If you read genesis 1 and 2 all of creation is from a garden perspective. Nothing aside from the Heavenly bodies are mentioned to be outside of Eden. leaving the rest of the world to figure things out and evolve on it's own.
Evolution does not say humans "evolved from slime". Evolution only measures population genetics, biodiversity and descent with modification.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuiNtC4kURk
Genesis is the silliest story I ever read.
With my theory, you can believe what ever your mind tells you to believe about evolution, whether that be true or not it does not change the creation account.