Evolution Trumps Creationism

[Drich]

I don't think Zazzy has done anything to warrant your prickness, is all.

Maybe maybe not. again some days I just feel like being a prick.

I'm like anyone else here more or less. crap from other conversations carry over.

IF I over stepped I do appologize.

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Good!

You have an understanding of my core belief here so let proceed. any other questions?

Excellent.

If you are willing to look at this scientifically, I'll ask again: are we in agreement that the Bible is outside of science and that we will do this using available scientific evidence? Or do we disagree? This is not a trap, and not an attempt to get you to abandon your faith. It's what religious scientists do all the time when they are in the lab, looking at evidence. They aren't abandoning faith; they're just not using it to argue why they got a result they got.

And speaking of traps, I'm also not interested in the ad hoc argument. In a scientific discourse, modifying one's position is necessary and expected when confronted with evidence that doesn't square. Since I'm a scientist and you're not, I expect I will point out things you didn't know, and if you need to modify your position based on those things, I'm not going to claim that it's dead. This is the way such discussions proceed if they are to be useful.

How about, if i start down an Ad hoc road you simply identify it proclaim a victory and move on, otherwise let us proceed without the verbal contract that youre requiring that I make, that subjects my faith to your interpertations of what is or is not a scientific discussion.

This is as close to a confirmation as your going to get so either poop or get off the pot.

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"Which should get you to think about who really knows more about what you believe."

Oh obviously you do - I mean it stands to reason doesn't it. You have God to help you on your side and I only have a lack of delusions.

As it happens I wouldn't have gone for slime - I'd have gone for a variety of chain molecules including proteins, starches and some nucleic acids all in a primarily water based fluid - but obviously I don't know.

I could have gone on to describe the structures of those singled celled creatures (maybe because I studied Biotechnology at university) but then I would have had to ask you some questions about the cell types under discussion and you would have thought I was showing off (like prokaryotic or eukaryotic cells).

Still slime is OK I suppose - but it wouldn't get you though higher education.

lets be honest here. very little on this web site would get anyone through a 'higher education.'

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I don't think Zazzy has done anything to warrant your prickness, is all.

Zazzy's questions are starting to box Drick in......what happens when you start cornering an animal(not saying Drick is an animal).....out comes the teeth and claws


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Actually the teeth and claws came out because zazzy wanted to be apart of the discussion but did not want to take the time to read what i had written. He/she insisted that i pay them special attention when everyone else in the conversation simply read what was written.

where the plot thickened is that zazzy wishes to speak on how evolution some how disproves creationism, but wishes to incorperate a panic stop button on the conversation by having me to agree to the terms and limitations of the nature of the conversation zazzy wishes to have. If I go all ad hoc on zazzy then zazzy has the right to end the conversation at any point the plot gets too deep.

I agreed to the panic stop button, just not the denial of faith zazzy wanted me to agree to that gave zazzy this option.[/quote]

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It's not my intention to box him in, only to get him to examine this idea fully.

What makes you think i haven't?

He already believes evolution occurred (yet oddly, he still manages to be a creationist), so he's not the enemy.

I dont NOT believe evolution occoured. I just don't think it happened like we think it did.. And I am kinda still the enemy as my theory still provides a possiablity of God which is the reason evolution is use so definativly as a means to dismiss God/Christianity.

No one really cares about evolution unless they are trying to seperate themselves away from God, or bring people back to him. Evolution is just the battle ground.

It's a pretty novel idea, and I'd like to see what he comes up with to support it. Usually creationists are way less creative than this.

The 'idea' is an extremely simple one. There is no time line given to creation in the bible. Which means evolution is possiable. that's it, that's all. That is the underlining truth of it all. How the rest of it works is only speculation. If evolution were true, I provide just one of many possiable ways it all can come together.

When we all get to heaven, and we find out it all happened a different way, nothing changes nor do my feelings get hurt. If we all get there and this is what happened +/- a few plot point then I hope i did what I was supposed to to help spread this message around. Otherwise nothing changes.