(September 27, 2013 at 6:21 am)Waratah Wrote: So you have still not shown me where in the parable(not page) is the seeking and knocking.Again Christ explains His own parable. In said explaination Christ Identifies or says the parable is about Asking, Seeking and Knocking.
Now because Christ gives this explaination about His own parable My exegesis that includes the Asking Seeking and Knocking is correct because it encorperates ALL of the Elements Christ Himself outlines..
You asked to see where the Seeking and Knocking was in the parable I showed you where in practice the neighbor sought and knocked, but because it is not spelled out in this particular translation (It was not narrated for you to see) you believe seeking and knock was not apart of the parable, but anyone with basic common sense would say that the fact that this man is out of his house so late at night looking for bread, means he is indeed seeking. The guy had to be seeking in order to ask. For if he were not seeking and he had just asked, the persistant neighbor would have been with in the confines of his own house, when he asked for bread. The fact that he was roaming the streets in the middle of the night meant he was SEEKING.
Again in the parable He knocked repeatedly. Meant he asked the guy who was in his house over and over and over and over and over again, till he got tired of him asking, got his butt out of bed and gave the pest what he wanted. Christ Identifies this as knocking.. But because in the story Christ did not narrate this knock you will not or can not recognize it...
Ironically enough your constiant pestering is a Great Example of this story and this over all principle in action.
For when you initially ASKED I gave you an answer, when you responded I assumed you did not have the capacity or you simply refused to acknoweledge the common sense needed to completely understand or process this story. But you kept Asking and Seeking which means you were knocking. And because you did these things so often I took the time out of my frustration with your obstinance to not only provide you with a connect the dots work sheet I connected the dots for you and explained them to you.
Quote:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him, seek and knock!”It does say this. THE WHOLE STORY IS ABOUT A PERSISTANT NEGHIBOR WHO ASKED SOUGHT AND KNOCKED!!!!!
Your post only answered one part of my post. So I am highlighting the rest of the post for you. The actual important part.
How can you in your mind ignore 7/8's of the passage and only focous on the last line? In order for this to work you must take and implement the WHOLE story, not just the last line.
Quote:How many knocks will it take to equal an ask(with evidence please)?How many knocks did it take for the neighbor? One more than you are willing to give. Let me put it this way. What if the neighbor disclosed that he would only know for 5 mins before he left? What do you think the guy in bed would have done?
Just to spite the guy for coming over in the middle of the nigh I would think he would have waited Him out.
But because he was persistant and did not put a time frame on his knocking. He got what he wanted.
Allow me to further illustrate. I still knock. and I am flush with 'proof.' It goes beyond 'proof' into relationship at this point. I knock for further interaction, and Time with God.
Quote:Please show me exactly where it says to receive you must seek in luke 11.
Please show me exactly where it says to receive you must knock in luke 11.
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Again in verse 9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
This is JESUS CHRIST'S Own Explaination of HIS Parable. You can Not Viably Argue this Point From a Christian Perspective. Christ is the Head of the Church, and it is Christ who Explains this principle. This argument is now completely over, even if you continue to knock. For at this point there is noting else to say. If your looking to userpt the authority of Christ to define and explain his own parables, then we are no longer dealing with Christianity, and as such I have no intrest in discussing what you think Christianity is or should be.