(September 27, 2013 at 12:49 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: Faith: Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.No, I don't see that. Using your definition, faith could be based on evidence other than material evidence, such as testimonial evidence. Further, that's an unusual definition. I checked several others and they don't specify "material evidence."
Proof: The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true.
Evidence: that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief
Truth: conformity with fact or reality
So, John V, don't you see why faith is an illogical choice? That faith has nothing to do with proof, evidence or truth?
Quote:Wouldn't you rather live in a world of verifiable truths that you can test and understand their meanings to human existence?Yes. I would like to know without doubt what happens when we die, and how life began, and a bunch of other things which are not as yet verifiable truths.
Quote:Faith gives you something to believe in, something to base your values on, but without any facts or evidence. You can spend every day praying or going to church, but there it is a purely psychological benefit.OK, that's good reason for religion.
Quote:If you want a physical reward, something you can put your hands on to love, not just your ideals, than accept the proof and evidence found by man, not imagined by.What proof and evidence, and what physical rewards?
Quote:I would rather believe in ideals that I can verify, not ones that vary from church to church, all across the world. That is why faith is not true, because no one agrees on what it means. There is so much more to "love" than the contradicting definitions in the Bible, or in faith.What ideals are verifiable and invariable across times and cultures?
