Evolution Trumps Creationism

[Drich]

God must be fairly antisocial if he felt two people was an acceptable number of friends for millions of years, then.

It is what it is.
Whatever the reason He did it this way it was His call to make.

Just you keep calling that god moral, huh?

No. I call God Righteous. Morality is a crap standard that means nothing outside of your society or even your own generation.
'We' Do not have enough info to judge God here. You have no Idea the level of Evil a soulless man is capiable of. We are only told that this evil was so great it forshadowed everything before or ever shall be. If God let things like the holocaust go on to run it's course, Imagine the Evil needed to rest the entire world.

Fair enough, though my initial point was that others get a different interpretation from the same material, and how do we tell which is correct?

That's just it. We are only responsiable for what we can comprehend. If my comprehension leads me to be a YEC then that is all God will hold me accountable to. However if God gave you the capacity to understand what I have written here and yet you remain in disbelief or you only ever aspired to be a YEC then you would have much to answer for.

Remember God is the God of absolutes, but with the atonement Christ offers, we are not answerable to those absolutes anymore as believers. As the parable of the talents tells us we are only responsiable to what He gave us.

Sure, but I guess I'm still not interested in what answer resolves the most open questions, but rather which answer is true.

If you are honest with yourself you will find that truth will answer all of those questions, but at the same time not change what has already been written.

Besides, you're still leading the evidence from the basis that the words in the bible are true, rather than allowing the evidence to take you to the truth unimpeded.

Good observation, now ask me why I do this.
If you did, I would say I have found the bible to be 100% accurate. It gave me a way to test God, and to receive apart of God to interact with. Inorder to give me guidance, to answer my questions and yours, to teach me, and direct me with confidence and truth. I took that offer and allowed it to completely play out in my life. As a result of being faithful to everything I knew I was given I was given more, and more and more. Why? Because of what the bible told me was true. Now because this has been tested and proven in my life with out doubt, I personally know everything said is also true.

If you're speculating that's fine, but I guess the next thing I'd have to ask is, how could one falsify this idea you've got?

The linch pin is the fact that there is no time line between Genesis 2 and Genesis 3. If it can be proven that only a few years passed between Genesis 2&3 as previously believed by the Catholic Church, then everything falls apart.

Falsifiability is key to scientific endeavors, after all; can you propose a mechanism by which we can test this? I mean, it can hardly be considered to hold water if it has never been tested.

The other side of the coin to test my speculations on the specific happenings, is to prove evolution to be in error, or to prove the bible to be the ranting of some darkages pope.

My point was that knowledge is demonstrated, beliefs are just held. You can't claim to know what you cannot demonstrate to be true.

But I can demonstrate that there is no biblical time line between Gen 2&3 which makes all of this possiable, and truthfully that is all that is needed for some to take the bible seriously enough to take God up on his offer, and test Him as He has told us to do. Once the potential believer does that, then he will have his 'proof.'

Also, I hold to no absolutes, but you know I'm not convinced that the bible is true in any regard; I'm holding it to the same standard I would any other claim, that's why I'm here asking questions. I don't mind entertaining ideas, just so long as there's more to them than "it is my belief that..."

There can be much more so long as your willing to do what has been asked of you.

That's the problem, I have so many different interpretations of Genesis to work from, it's kind of hard to nail the details down.

Then put them aside as I did, and just read the bible for it's face value. If you do you will note that the bible says nothing about pepertuial immortality for everything on the planet. Only Adam and Eve shared that gift. Which makes that a non biblically supported teaching that supports some other doctrine.

The boys at the creation museum seem to think that death was a product of the fall, but I'll admit that my eyes tend to glaze over when I get near anything regarding that place, so maybe I missed something.

For Adam and Eve it most certainly was.

Okay, so, you can't disagree with the premise my entire test was based upon, and then still use it to prove your point.

I simply saw a question and what to me looked like a very obvious answer.

God would know what proof of god looks like to me. Why not ask him?

I know what it would Take, but you have to be honest enough with yourself to accept it when it is offered to you. The first step in that is to identify that 'truth' and hold on to it no matter where it leads you. As it is now you have an exit strageity, so long as you keep that backdoor open God Will not open the Front door for you.

To be honest, all you need to do is swap out the noun for any other noun: my idea of proof of god is the same as my idea of proof of sandwich. I'm not putting a higher barrier of evidence before the god claim than I would any other claim.

Then are you willing to accept that Proof of God would be being placed in the presents of God?