RE: Evolution Trumps Creationism
September 28, 2013 at 9:28 pm
(This post was last modified: September 28, 2013 at 10:34 pm by Drich.)
(September 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm)Waratah Wrote: In luke 11-5 to 13 it clearly states that it is a friend, NOT a neighbour. Why do you insist saying it was a neighbour?
Now I would like you now to show me where christ converts the asking into knocking?
How many asks does it take to equal a knock?
Please show me what will be found if I "seek"? No assumptions please.
Please show me what will be opened if I "knock"? No assumptions please.
I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and will go against my better judgement here.
1.) how do I know this was a neighbor?
The time given in the story and the fact they did not have cars puts the 'friend' in close proximity to the seeker of the breads house. Not to mention this was said by Christ in the pervious chapter:
29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”
Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
The fact that the man in the house help the man outside makes him a neighbor according to Christ which is the only definition that matters as we are speaking of Christianity.
Question the conversion of asking into knocking. To knock simple means to repeat the process, or to keep seeking and to keep asking. (Like you have done In Your hound dogging me)
Christ tells us to do this in: 9 “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
How many asks equal a knock?
I refer back to the story. In the story the asking continued until the neighbor got what he wanted. This is Christ's example of a successful a/s/k campaign. Meaning you are to knock or repeat this process till you get what you are looking for.
What you get after a successful a/s/k campaign is the gift of the Holy Spirit. No guessing this is what Christ says:
13 If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”
I honestly believe if you put this same effort towards a/s/k with in a very short time you would have a story to tell.