A small thanks to the resident Theists..

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Wow, you really aren't that bright, huh? If "proof" constituted linking to CARM, then you'd believe in God, right?

No I don't need to believe anything besides the bible, apparently, if I want to avoid a hellish damnation of fiery judgement. Since this whole CARM thing is hanging you up, I brewed up my own rebuttal below though. You're welcome.

I suppose you ignored my rebuttal to CARM's opening line, I also suppose the guys from CARM missed it too.

Your opening line from doucebag anonymous wrote:
"Thus says the Lord" occurs over 400 times in the Old Testament.

Really? What do you think happens to the unerring aspect when one of those 400 times says this:
"19.Ezekiel 22:28
And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken."

My claim is not that the bible is unerring, though. That's the bibles claim. Doesn't matter to me if it says "the lord said" or not (other than the fact that simpletons across the globe take it as such), and I'll explain why next. But first, why are you using an old testament book of Ezekiel to refute the validity of both old testament and new testament scripture? And why would you just disregard the verses that say that if you deny the prophecy of god then you call god a liar? Are you calling god a liar? You and I both know you aren't technically, but what do you use as a qualifier to know the real god instructions from the non Lord hath spoken scripture?

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Or better yet, why don't I refute the claim you made in the quote above and refute your bf's BS at the same time.
"The Bible is the direct word of god per your own brethren's words "

1 Corinthians 7:12-16
New International Version (NIV)

12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.
15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let it be so. The brother or the sister is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. 16 How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

Verse 12 there is proof against your "direct word of God" claim.

You must not have read the two chapters before that one, then.


1 Cor. 5:1-5

5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.

So this author (one of many) is literally handing out judgements on behalf of god, and you're saying they don't claim to speak for god?


Or these verses:

2 Tim. 3:16-17 says, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

The word "inspired" is literally "God-breathed." --CARM

Likewise, Peter says in 2 Pet. 1:21, "for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."

The prophecy of Jesus Christ is therefore spoken directly from God through the holy spirit, and therefore to reject the prophecy of Jesus: one is calling god a liar. And I've already established what happens to liars..

Acts 3:18, "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ should suffer, He has thus fulfilled."

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Romans 2

Romans 2 is not an answer. Neither is focussed an actual word. You'd be better off putting it in a full sentence, possibly with an ex-plan-ation. We can call Esquilax in to teach you about that term and the correct spelling of focused too, if you want.


*edited for brevity and a quotation error