(September 29, 2013 at 1:10 am)max-greece Wrote: "So, if the economy fails and there is panic in the streets, we will still have our science correct? So do you think A.) The panic in the streets of every major city in the world will result in just another oppertunity for modern man to exhibit his superior morality? Or B.) soceity will fall somewhere between The walking Dead, and Mad Max?"Shifting the goal posts.
Ah yes - keep 'em scared - the old Christian tactic and if fear of God won't do it, fear of the collapsing economy will.
You may not have noticed this but I am in Greece - you know - where the economy has collapsed (shrunk 25% in 4 years). They were all predicting a total breakdown of law and order. You know - hasn't happened. The response has been astonishingly muted.
Max is here - Mad Max strangley absent.
"If science is the glue that you say it is then why does every projection we have point toward total anarchy? Is this because of God in your estimation and the bible? -or is it that full bellies and the system of society we currently enjoy allows us to be different than every generation before this one? Take that soceity way, and modern man will shame its fathers in the level of depraveity we will sink to, just because we lost our supermarkets and air conditioning."
Now there you go thinking the worst of people just like you have been taught to do by your revolting faith. Sorry Pal - the God fearing fathers still have it over us.
You know what actually happens. People start to pull together - that's what happens. Come over here and see it for yourself.
"You are a mindless drone if you can not recognize this fact."
mner far plop.
"Science does not make you a better person, the fact that you do not have to worry about your next meal, and your mod cons makes you a better person."
The fact that you don't have to worry about your next meal is down to science. The fact that you have mod cons is down to science. Therefore science does, in fact, make you a better person.
Just as a final note - economics is not science. Economics is a whole area on its own with some maths behind it but overall suffering from flawed assumptions and no global model to support the global market it strived for.
Your original assertion stated that science was the reason for modern mans morality. I disagreed, and said economics and mod cons are the only reason you feel morally superior to your forefathers. Then I suggested a way to test which one of us was correct. I had you imagine what would happen if you took away the economy and mod cons, but left the science, which you said was the reason for your moral superiority. Then asked would your science maintain society's supreme morality, or would it fall the first time the supermarket did not get its weekly stock order?
Apparently you feel pretty foolish and are trying to redefine the parameters of the discussion... Which I denied with the identification of the logical fallacy you are trying to use.