If these resident theists really talk to god..

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two things your confusing an elite controller with a HIV controller. Elite's do not have a detectable amount of the virus in their blood. I left a article explaining all of this from aidsmeds.com

I linked this information in my last post.. Did you read it? Here, I re-highlighted the part about you. Like this. Unless you're saying your an HIV controller and not an elite controller, I'm not mistaken. Science has a grasp on what makes Elite controllers resilient, and it can be tested in you even now, if you really are one. That's why I say go help with the research, Drich, if you are surely sure about it. Just for the record: a PCP does not qualify as a reliable source for an HIV test unless you had a lab diagnose you.

According to HIV/AIDS researchers like Levy and Steven Deeks, a professor in the Department of Medicine at UCSF and faculty member of the Positive Health Program at SFGH, “long-term survivors,” or “non-progressors,” make up about 5 to 15 percent of HIV-infected individuals. These people manage to maintain very low or even undetectable amounts of HIV in their blood and remain healthy without the dramatic loss of CD4+ T cells characteristic of most patients with HIV infection. “Elite controllers” represent a special subset of this group, having HIV levels undetectable by standard viral load tests, without the use of antiretroviral drugs. Probably fewer than one in a hundred individuals infected with HIV meet this standard.

The question about defective HIV mutants is still an open one, but Levy and Deeks agree that a weak virus alone does not explain the remarkable survival of all elite controllers. “At the end of the day,” says Deeks, “I suspect that a subset of these people has been infected with a replication-incompetent virus. But, for the most part, when you can find the virus in controllers, it replicates quite well.”

In 1986 Levy and his co-researchers found that when HIV-infected CD4+ cells were placed, in culture, in the presence of CD8+ cells from long-term survivors, they stopped producing HIV. When the CD8+ cells were removed, HIV production resumed.

Levy’s work on CD8+ cells led him to another component of the frontline, innate immune system, plasmacytoid dendritic cells (PDCs). They not only produce interferon when challenged by viruses, but also interact to enhance the activity of CD8+ T cells. Long-term survivors have higher-than-average PDC counts, and elite controllers, higher still. Finding the mechanism by which they are triggered to release interferon is a second key focus of the Levy laboratory.

Although many elite controllers had clear evidence of potent HIV-specific T cell immunity, a surprising number failed to exhibit such a response. Deeks is also looking at why elite controllers have lower numbers of T regulatory cells compared to non-controllers.

They have found that the NK cells of elite controllers frequently express a unique cell surface protein or receptor that may regulate their function.


Power in Numbers: The Need to Recruit More Elite Controllers
With so many mechanisms, and combinations of mechanisms, potentially at work in elite controllers, assimilating data from large numbers of them will be crucial to make statistically significant observations. That’s why Deeks is collaborating with Bruce Walker and Eric Lander of the Broad Institute at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston and a host of other scientists, health-care providers, and AIDS service organizations to grow an international consortium. Their goal is to recruit 2000 elite controllers around the world.

Those were the doctors words exactly. He said because of the skin lesions and the pos test he was sure I had advance symptoms and even brought me into his personal office and showed me the book he confirmed the diagnosis from. It had pictures with a guy covered with tthe same leasions I had disbursed in a very similar way.

HIV cannot be diagnosed with symptoms alone. It can be diagnosed with a low CD4 count or the following conditions or diseases:

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http://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/aids/f...pendix.htm
A person who has tested HIV positive is diagnosed with AIDS when:

the person's CD4 cell count falls below 200 cells/ml, OR
the person is diagnosed with any of the following conditions or diseases1:
Candidiasis of bronchi, trachea, or lungs
Candidiasis, esophageal
Cervical cancer, invasive
Coccidioidomycosis, disseminated or extrapulmonary
Cryptococcosis, extrapulmonary
Cryptosporidiosis, chronic intestinal (>1 month duration)
Cytomegalovirus disease (other than liver, spleen, or nodes)
Cytomegalovirus retinitis (with loss of vision)
Encephalopathy, HIV-related
Herpes simplex: chronic ulcer(s) (>1 month duration)
Histoplasmosis, disseminated
Isosporiasis, chronic intestinal (>1 month duration)
Kaposi's sarcoma
Lymphoid interstitial pneumonitis (in children)
Lymphoma, Burkitt's (or equivalent term)
Lymphoma, immunoblasic (or equivalent term)
Lymphoma, primary, of brain
Mycobacterium avium comples or M. Kansasii, disseminated or extrapulmonary
Mycobacterium tuberculosis,any site (pulmonary or extrapulmonary)
Mycobacterium, other species or unidentified species, disseminates or extrapulmonary
Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia
Pneumonia, recurrent
Progressive multifocal leukoencephalopathy
Salmonella septicemia, recurrent
Toxoplasmosis of brain
Wasting syndrome due to HIV
A person who is HIV negative or of undetermined serostatus may be diagnosed with AIDS when other causes of immunodeficiency are ruled out and the person is definitively diagnosed with one of the AIDS indicator diseases listed above.
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(molluscum contagiosum isn't on the list of aids indicators diseases. It's just a consequence of low CD4 count and is typically found on the face in the case of HIV.)

So you're saying your CD4 indicators were below 200? Got the lab report?

Contracting the skin virus is very common, but it only ever presents with one or two lesions normally. It presents in patients with what is considered to be compromised immune systems by the dozens. It presents in patients with later stages of HIV/AIDS in the hundreds. I had them in the hundreds with in a weeks time. I had just quit my job ,and hired onto a new one. On the second day the manager told me to have my bumps looked at. No insurance no money, the doctors did not even want to see me.

So how'd you get seen then? And what tests were run? And how did you afford an elective procedure of the freezing of half of those dozens of lesions if you didn't have money?

read what I wrote again.

*Re-reading again.

• Fidel knows someone on his death bed who he has not witnessed, crying out to God for mercy. *Inflammatory
  
  
• Should I be sorry that I can speak of a death bed experience?? *Inflammatory
  
  
• When the blackness consumes him, he will cry out maybe not to you, but to God. Rest assured every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. *Preaching
  
  
• That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist. *Inaccurate
  
  
• How is your perception of my response any different than how I was treated after I shared my battle with a deadly virus? *No Evidence therefore Inflammatory
  
  
• You USED your father's condition as a panic stop to the conversation, and as leverage to try and dismiss everything I said. *Inflammatory
  
  
• Which was based on my own observation dealing directly with death. *Unproven
  
• This coupled with your response above makes you a terriable person and a hipocrite to boot. *Inflammatory Name Calling and Belittlement
  
  
• what is worse? failing to offer a platitude? or letting someone think their beloved Father is burning in Hell? *Stupid
  

I did not belittle anyone. I simple said Fidel could not possible know what was going through his fathers mind when he looked to his own death. No matter how you want to spin it.

Okay, re-read your last post that I just quoted in a list for you. Assuming that Fidel thinks his father is going to hell isn't belittling? Mmmk.
And another thing, you can't prove your assertion about peoples' reaction to your AIDS. That you then go and accuse Fidel of using his own sick and dying father to win a conversation is just inexcuseable, in my books. I didn't ask you for proof of your AIDS in the other threads, and I do believe it was you who questioned the validity of Fidels' claim that his father was indeed dying. Care to uphold the same burden of proof or you just want everyone else to take your first hand account as fact?

Only the person looking at his her mortality knows what they are thinking or whether or not they reach out to God.

Hmm this is the exact opposite of what you've been saying this whole time.

Drich quotes:

• Fidel knows someone on his death bed who he has not witnessed, crying out to God for mercy.
  
  
• When the blackness consumes him, he will (Concrete Adjective) cry out maybe not to you, but to God. Rest assured (Concrete Descriptive Adverb) every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. [PREACHING]
  
  
• I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.
  
  
• I said 'rest assured' because no matter how devoute one is to their atheism in life, in death we all tend to want to cover our bases. Meaning there is still hope for the eternal state of fidel's father.
  

The point of me saying anything to you people is the boldness in which you all seem to be able to speak for others.

Wow. I mean, do you even listen to yourself?

When most of you have never been in this situation let alone in the mind of the person you are speaking for.

Whether or not you were even in a life threatening situation is debatable.

Oh and are you saying his dad has to be suicidal in order to not pray to god on his deathbed?

no.

Then what exactly where you saying, then? Can't have it both ways, Drich.

I'm not going to rat anyone out for speaking their mind. For me it is not the unforgivable sin to wish someone would die.

Well you sure are indignant about supposed 'sins'. Until you post the name of the thread, I don't believe you even have One to submit to this forum for review.

It is worse to create or support a Gestapo state that you want to creat here.

I think it's worse to be too proud to admit when you are wrong. And so does the bible.

If you want proof get off your ass and look for it! I promise you it is there. I've looked for it and found it. One instance is in a place you've quoted from but there are also others you have not quoted from.

You have the burden of proof not me But nice try. Get off your ass and find it yourself, or retract your claims of maltreatment.

If you find it fine, if not that's ok too.

Because that would actually be good for you, huh? Make me spend hours looking for something that wasn't there.. I've already spent more time than I should on what I have submitted to the Kangaroo court so far!

Those who have made these comments know who they are and what they said. I am very content with the fact that their 'superior' morality allows me to be falsely accused of lying.

Everyone's shaking their heads wondering wtf you're talking about, actually. Might wanna back up your claim there, mate.

Never mind how I know this to be true... lets hear some more about this thrid hand account your discussing.

I don't think you understand the term correctly. Your not using it right in your sentence.

As you can see, that was what you said not me.

Second of all: You weren't on death's door like Fidels' father.

I was told with no insurance and no help with Meds I may have a year to live. So would you prefer death walk way to the door?

Well if you talk the talk, you better have walked the walk.

You had a rough couple of weeks? Drich, I've had a rough lifetime. I didn't just "think" I was dying, I almost physically died. And so did many members on this forum. I can't speak for them, but I can say that I find it ridiculously offensive that you think that you thinking you're dying (for two weeks) is the same as dying (which is fine, go for it), but don't then expect anyone to not think you're a major douche for speaking matter of factly about what state someone would be in emotionally or physically during a time as touchy as death, even though you know little to nothing about it.

it was a month total. And why do you believe the biggest event of my life happened here? This is just one little pit stop. It was a big deal at the time, and the last time I want to endure anything like that again, but again compared to everything else. This was easy.

No shit sherlock.

Assuming you speak of the truth with regards to you being an elite controller, there was surely a test that could have been performed to confirm this if you indeed got a legitimate diagnosis, which I[size=[medium] highly doubt.[/size]. Here are some of them listed. If you were diagnosed as such once, you are still one to this day. You weren't cured, douchely friend. [i]You're in remission

I think you've confused yourself with your choice source material. Here is something geared a little more towards the layman, and a little easier to understand.

http://www.hivcontrollers.org/hivcontrollers

This is what an elite controller is: Some HIV controllers are able to maintain levels of virus that are so low that they are termed "undetectable," these individuals have been described in the literature as elite controllers or elite suppressors.

I do not have a detectable viral load as per my last blood test. Sorry to Burst your bubble missy.

No worries, bubbles are still a floatin
I think you've confused yourself with your choice source material. Here is something geared a little more towards the layman, and a little easier to understand.

http://www.you'reanidiot.com

for some yes, for others no. It is to the 'others' I speak. If your not an 'other' then know my efforts are not really meant for you to benefit from. I am just using your posts as an opportunity to speak (dare I say preach) without breaking the rules to those who do find my words creditable.

Whose these 'others'? Are they imaginary too?