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Atheist or really Agnostic
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation.

I am certain it has already been stated, but just in case you have decided to further argue your illogical point I will reiterate:

If there is already no evidence to support the existence of something, it is reasonable to assume that it does not exist. Therefore, it would be further unreasonable to attempt to prove that it does not exist since there is already no proof of its existence.

Stating that atheists must prove that god does not exist is shifting the burden of proof. The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those making the positive claim, which would be that god does exist, and therefore the burden of proof belongs to the theists who claim that god does exists when there is no evidence to support his existence.

It is simple logic. Those that claim an absolute negation of something have a burden of proof.

Those that claim the existence of something also have a burden of proof.

So I have not shifted the burden of proof to either side. I am just showing that both sides have a burden of proof.

Here is an example from mathematics.

Euler proposed that there were no trivial whole number solutions to the following equation.

a^4 + b^4 + c^4 = d^4

(I used the ^ to indicate raised to the power.)

Euler's assertion is an absolute negation. But he did not have a proof to show what he claimed.

In 1987, someone used a computer and found a solution.

95,800^4 + 217,519^4 + 414,560^4 = 422,481^4

That counter example proved the absolute negation false.

(September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm)Maelstrom Wrote:
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation.

I am certain it has already been stated, but just in case you have decided to further argue your illogical point I will reiterate:

If there is already no evidence to support the existence of something, it is reasonable to assume that it does not exist. Therefore, it would be further unreasonable to attempt to prove that it does not exist since there is already no proof of its existence.

Stating that atheists must prove that god does not exist is shifting the burden of proof. The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those making the positive claim, which would be that god does exist, and therefore the burden of proof belongs to the theists who claim that god does exists when there is no evidence to support his existence.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I believe the Holy Bible is true.
It claims to be from God Almighty.
It proves itself in many ways.

That would be circular logic and in no way proof of god's existence. Stating that the bible is proof of god's existence is akin to stating that a marvel comic book is proof of Spider-Man's existence.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The Holy Bible is a record of historical events.

False, there is nothing remotely historically accurate in the bible.

Except you have not yet seen the proof.
That is another topic.
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Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - September 30, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 7:43 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 7:44 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Mister Agenda - October 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tonus - October 1, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Mister Agenda - October 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 6:59 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 7:10 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 7:20 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 8:02 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Thackerie - September 30, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - September 30, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 7:33 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 7:47 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Psykhronic - September 30, 2013 at 8:06 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Drich - September 30, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Psykhronic - September 30, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Angrboda - September 30, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - September 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - September 30, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Searching4truth - September 30, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - September 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - September 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Silver - September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Silver - September 30, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - September 30, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 4:49 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 7:58 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - September 30, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Rahul - September 30, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - September 30, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - September 30, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - September 30, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - September 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - September 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tonus - October 1, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - October 1, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - October 1, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 9:12 am
Re: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - October 1, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 10:34 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Faith No More - October 1, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - October 1, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 1, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Searching4truth - October 1, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - October 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - October 1, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - October 1, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - October 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - October 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - October 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by xpastor - October 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 2, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - October 2, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - October 2, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 10:13 am

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