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Atheist or really Agnostic
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: To truly be an atheist is to claim that there in no God. But that very claim is to pose an absolute negation about a supreme being. It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation. Even if you could look throughout the entire universe, which you cannot, and found no God, that still would not prove that God does not exist. It would at best prove that God could not be seen.

Because of this, it is impossible to absolutely claim that there is no God. A person could be fairly convinced of their position, but they could not prove it. In essence they would logically have to be an agnostic, with a personal belief that to the best of their knowledge, there is no God. But then logically they are agnostic. They really do not know.

Since logically they are agnostic, they must allow for the possibility that God may exist, if they are to be true to a logical position. They certainly can keep their personal belief of no God, unless they could be shown that God does exist. But an honest agnostic must allow for the possibility that God exists.

Those that claim that they will always be an atheist, may be showing that it is not logical to absolutely claim that there is no God, but a bias to not even consider the evidence.

Well, you could render the whole topic moot by, you know... proving that there is a god.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - September 30, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 7:43 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 7:44 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Mister Agenda - October 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tonus - October 1, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Mister Agenda - October 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 6:59 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 7:10 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 7:20 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 8:02 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Thackerie - September 30, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - September 30, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 7:33 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 7:47 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 7:55 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Psykhronic - September 30, 2013 at 8:06 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Drich - September 30, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 8:33 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by downbeatplumb - September 30, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:23 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Psykhronic - September 30, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Angrboda - September 30, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - September 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - September 30, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Searching4truth - September 30, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - September 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - September 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Foxaèr - September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Foxaèr - September 30, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - September 30, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 4:49 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 7:58 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - September 30, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Rahul - September 30, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - September 30, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - September 30, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - September 30, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - September 30, 2013 at 9:56 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - September 30, 2013 at 10:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tonus - October 1, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - October 1, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - October 1, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 9:12 am
Re: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - October 1, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 10:34 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Faith No More - October 1, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - October 1, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 1, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Searching4truth - October 1, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - October 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - October 1, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - October 1, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - October 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - October 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - October 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by xpastor - October 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 2, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - October 2, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - October 2, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 10:13 am

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