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Atheist or really Agnostic
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic
(October 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(October 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Simple. Once the truth is shown to be true (the Holy Bible) then the word of God can be used to establish all other truths.

You've made many references to this book. Practically every single post of yours has hidden behind it. What makes you so certain that the book can be relied upon to be true?

I will begin that with more topics.

(October 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm)xpastor Wrote:
(September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: To truly be an atheist is to claim that there in no God. But that very claim is to pose an absolute negation about a supreme being. It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation. ...
I could equally well say, "To be truly a theist is to claim with absolute certainty that there is a God. It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute assertion."

One of the dictionary definitions of agnostic is "a person who holds neither of two opposing positions on a topic" and I understand that to hold in religious opinions. The agnostic refuses to commit to asserting either that there probably is a God or that there is probably no God.

Another way of looking at it is Dawkins' scale of atheism from 1 - 7. One is absolute certainty that there is a God, and in spite of some bullshit I believe few, if any, Christians fall into that category. Seven is absolute certainty that there is no God, and few atheists would claim that. A few years ago on the Friendly Atheist Forum we did a poll on that, and the vast majority rated themselves as a 6, for all practical purposes pretty sure that there is no God, because all the evidence points that way, but no amount of empirical evidence ever adds up to 100% certainty.

By definition an agnostic would occupy 4, the midpoint on the scale, equally uncertain that God exists or does not exist.

I find it silly to try to strip away the plain meaning of a useful and well-understood word like atheist. Pure sophistry.

Thank you for the info. I was not aware of Dawkins scale.
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Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 6:44 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - September 30, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 7:43 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 7:44 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 7:48 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:16 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Mister Agenda - October 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tonus - October 1, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Mister Agenda - October 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 6:59 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 7:10 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 7:20 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 8:00 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 8:02 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pineapplebunnybounce - September 30, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Thackerie - September 30, 2013 at 2:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - September 30, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 7:33 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 7:47 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - September 30, 2013 at 7:55 am
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - September 30, 2013 at 8:17 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Drich - September 30, 2013 at 8:21 am
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:23 am
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - September 30, 2013 at 8:32 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Psykhronic - September 30, 2013 at 8:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 12:02 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 12:05 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - September 30, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Angrboda - September 30, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - September 30, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - September 30, 2013 at 1:19 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 30, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 3:18 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Searching4truth - September 30, 2013 at 8:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - September 30, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - September 30, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - September 30, 2013 at 4:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Paraselene - September 30, 2013 at 4:00 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 4:14 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Paraselene - September 30, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 4:23 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by popeyespappy - September 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - September 30, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - September 30, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 4:49 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 7:22 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 7:58 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:18 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by pocaracas - October 1, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 2:54 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - September 30, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Rahul - September 30, 2013 at 7:10 pm
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RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Jackalope - September 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - September 30, 2013 at 10:47 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tonus - October 1, 2013 at 5:50 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:03 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:26 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 8:57 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 9:09 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 9:43 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 8:27 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - October 1, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 8:20 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Airyaman - October 1, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 9:12 am
Re: Atheist or really Agnostic - by NoraBrimstone - October 1, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 10:34 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 10:36 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Faith No More - October 1, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Whateverist - October 1, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 1, 2013 at 10:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Searching4truth - October 1, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 11:31 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - October 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 2:13 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 1, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 12:45 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Beta Ray Bill - October 1, 2013 at 12:40 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - October 1, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Esquilax - October 1, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - October 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 3:49 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Minimalist - October 1, 2013 at 3:52 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 4:09 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Tartarus Sauce - October 1, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Bad Wolf - October 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 1, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by xpastor - October 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by SavedByGraceThruFaith - October 1, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Cyberman - October 1, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by max-greece - October 2, 2013 at 12:51 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Lemonvariable72 - October 2, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Captain Colostomy - October 2, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Kayenneh - October 2, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by Doubting Thomas - October 2, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Atheist or really Agnostic - by LastPoet - October 2, 2013 at 10:13 am

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