RE: Why atheism always has a burden of proof
October 2, 2013 at 1:49 pm
(This post was last modified: October 2, 2013 at 1:50 pm by pocaracas.)
(October 1, 2013 at 6:42 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:Beats me...(October 1, 2013 at 5:44 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Each atheist has his/her own measure for the proof required to change their minds, true...
But we're not talking about convincing individual persons that there is a god.
That only requires a good con man.
And is hence not a good measure of the applicability of that proof.
We're talking about showing beyond the shadow of a doubt that there is a god.
Kind of like gravity... Is there anyone who denies that gravity exists?
So what qualifies as showing "beyond the shadow of a doubt"?
Maybe something along the lines of:
If such an powerful entity exists, which can contact people directly, and can embody people, then I see no difficulty in contacting everyone directly.
That way, everyone will have a similar experience which cannot be dismissed as an abnormal psychological event on an individual, because everyone will have experienced roughly the same!
If it's soooo important for said entity that we humans accept that it exists, then I see no reason why it should cower from such a simple feat.... as it seems to be doing now (if it exists)
(October 1, 2013 at 6:42 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote: Do you expect this same high standard of proof for all your beliefs, or only for the one you wish was not true?Oh, how I wish magic was real!!...
Sadly, it does not seem to be.
All my beliefs are based on some level of probabilities, based on previous experience (sometimes, compounded with other people's experiences).
And gods... warrant... a very low probability of existence outside people's imaginations.
(October 1, 2013 at 6:42 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:LOL, troll.Quote:Oh?
What does theism have to support it, then?
Besides lots of wishful thinking?
Do tell, I'm open minded on this...
This is like asking "Give me proof that science works." Whether or not it works, the question is so broad, and can be answered with so many different answers, that we are spoilt for choice. I can pick something appropriate for your level of education. Are you in university? What kind of an education background do you have?
Assume I'm a 6 year old kid. Explain it like if my a very stupid blonde.
I once had a test that was something like "explain conservation of momentum as if you were talking to a 6 year old". (most difficult test evar!)
(October 1, 2013 at 6:42 pm)Vincenzo "Vinny" G. Wrote:Quote:Assess each position on its own merits?...
None of these religions, except atheism, fits the bill of the observed world.
I'll give you a chance to think carefully about your claims here. Read it again, slowly and carefully and tell me if you are 100% confident in your own reasoning, and believe it is irrefutable.
Once you are convinced it is, let me know and I will respond.
I'll give you a chance to think about your lack of ability to refute anything I write, while you try to make me feel like you know something I don't, but never quite elaborate it...