RE: I love religion!
January 22, 2010 at 1:21 pm
(This post was last modified: January 22, 2010 at 2:09 pm by Purple Rabbit.)
(January 22, 2010 at 9:11 am)tackattack Wrote: Sorry if I asserted things not attributable to you. I will research this Kantian stance of absolute reality.I took no offense.
tackattack Wrote:1) OK I dind't intentionally leave out LoEM just cited a few examples. So they are axioms, where do you suppose they stem from? We agree they require no proof and are assumptions that could change but haven't yet. I barely am grasping quantum physics.. I don't think I'm ready for quantum logic just letThe axioms are truth statements formulated by humans. So they as statements are definitely of human origin. If you ask where humans got the idea from, I really don't know, but I guess that it was instigated by nature itself somehow. On the macro level of human experience these laws are recognizable in how nature is perceived to behave. A thing in nature is not the other thing it seems. But on closer inspection there's more to it. Leibniz Identity of Indsicernables can be seen as the physical counterpart of the logical law of identity.
tackattack Wrote:2) OK so anything is possibible. Everytime I have touched fire it's hot, but won't necessarily next time. Arrived at through begging the question of inductive reasoning. How then can you know anything without faith? Logic isn't a direct correlation to reality, but it holds informational uniformly accepted subjective truth. With a little faith the statement , "Fire is hot to me, isn't it hot to you?" then shouldn't be contested.We don't know if it is possible for anything to happen next. We do know that reality as perceived by us so far has behaved in a pattern we have named the laws of nature. It is indeed wise to assume that these laws will hold the next time for we have nothing better to go by.
Naturalism, the philosophy asocioated with the scientific viewpoint, nowadays makes use of Bayesian formulation of knowledge in terms of probabilities. So truth statement are interpreted in terms of probabilities assuming the laws of nature will hold.
The difference between the basic assumptions being made and faith is that a basic assumption will be dropped the minute we can do without it. The basic assumptions of Euclidean Geometry were overthrown by Einsteins General Theory of Relativity in curved spacetime (Minkovsky space). Nobody in the scientific community however wept a tear for that. There were no faith groups splitting of from the scientific community to form their own church of truth based on Euclidean dogma. Instead scientists welcomed the deep insights and the better desciption of nature Relativity Theory brought us. Faith on the other hand is not only an assumption but also a promise to oneself to pledge allegiance to dogma even when it is contradicted by evidence. Faith is also a moral obligation to stick to the dogma.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0