Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: October 15, 2025, 10:05 am

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 4 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
I love religion!
#97
RE: I love religion!
(January 22, 2010 at 9:11 am)tackattack Wrote: Sorry if I asserted things not attributable to you. I will research this Kantian stance of absolute reality.
I took no offense.

tackattack Wrote:1) OK I dind't intentionally leave out LoEM just cited a few examples. So they are axioms, where do you suppose they stem from? We agree they require no proof and are assumptions that could change but haven't yet. I barely am grasping quantum physics.. I don't think I'm ready for quantum logic just let Tongue
The axioms are truth statements formulated by humans. So they as statements are definitely of human origin. If you ask where humans got the idea from, I really don't know, but I guess that it was instigated by nature itself somehow. On the macro level of human experience these laws are recognizable in how nature is perceived to behave. A thing in nature is not the other thing it seems. But on closer inspection there's more to it. Leibniz Identity of Indsicernables can be seen as the physical counterpart of the logical law of identity.

tackattack Wrote:2) OK so anything is possibible. Everytime I have touched fire it's hot, but won't necessarily next time. Arrived at through begging the question of inductive reasoning. How then can you know anything without faith? Logic isn't a direct correlation to reality, but it holds informational uniformly accepted subjective truth. With a little faith the statement , "Fire is hot to me, isn't it hot to you?" then shouldn't be contested.
We don't know if it is possible for anything to happen next. We do know that reality as perceived by us so far has behaved in a pattern we have named the laws of nature. It is indeed wise to assume that these laws will hold the next time for we have nothing better to go by.

Naturalism, the philosophy asocioated with the scientific viewpoint, nowadays makes use of Bayesian formulation of knowledge in terms of probabilities. So truth statement are interpreted in terms of probabilities assuming the laws of nature will hold.

The difference between the basic assumptions being made and faith is that a basic assumption will be dropped the minute we can do without it. The basic assumptions of Euclidean Geometry were overthrown by Einsteins General Theory of Relativity in curved spacetime (Minkovsky space). Nobody in the scientific community however wept a tear for that. There were no faith groups splitting of from the scientific community to form their own church of truth based on Euclidean dogma. Instead scientists welcomed the deep insights and the better desciption of nature Relativity Theory brought us. Faith on the other hand is not only an assumption but also a promise to oneself to pledge allegiance to dogma even when it is contradicted by evidence. Faith is also a moral obligation to stick to the dogma.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Reply



Messages In This Thread
I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 9, 2010 at 8:38 pm
RE: I love religion! - by LukeMC - January 9, 2010 at 9:06 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Rhage - January 9, 2010 at 10:21 pm
RE: I love religion! - by LEDO - January 9, 2010 at 10:58 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Violet - January 10, 2010 at 2:56 am
RE: I love religion! - by Retorth - January 10, 2010 at 2:44 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 10, 2010 at 4:20 am
RE: I love religion! - by KichigaiNeko - January 12, 2010 at 4:19 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 10, 2010 at 3:57 am
RE: I love religion! - by Violet - January 10, 2010 at 4:00 am
RE: I love religion! - by LEDO - January 10, 2010 at 9:01 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 10, 2010 at 4:04 am
RE: I love religion! - by LukeMC - January 10, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 10, 2010 at 4:16 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 10, 2010 at 5:31 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 10, 2010 at 5:36 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 10, 2010 at 6:14 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 10, 2010 at 6:24 am
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 10, 2010 at 2:55 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Retorth - January 10, 2010 at 6:46 am
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 10, 2010 at 11:27 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 10, 2010 at 6:52 am
RE: I love religion! - by leo-rcc - January 10, 2010 at 11:20 am
RE: I love religion! - by Retorth - January 10, 2010 at 11:37 am
RE: I love religion! - by Rhage - January 10, 2010 at 2:17 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 10, 2010 at 3:32 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 11, 2010 at 7:48 am
RE: I love religion! - by leo-rcc - January 11, 2010 at 8:01 am
RE: I love religion! - by Violet - January 10, 2010 at 3:38 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 11, 2010 at 3:45 pm
RE: I love religion! - by fr0d0 - January 11, 2010 at 4:28 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 10, 2010 at 8:28 pm
RE: I love religion! - by LEDO - January 10, 2010 at 9:35 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 11, 2010 at 5:37 pm
RE: I love religion! - by LukeMC - January 12, 2010 at 2:20 pm
RE: I love religion! - by lukec - January 13, 2010 at 4:47 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 13, 2010 at 6:33 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 13, 2010 at 8:34 pm
RE: I love religion! - by lukec - January 13, 2010 at 11:44 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Lilith_86 - January 14, 2010 at 1:20 am
RE: I love religion! - by KichigaiNeko - January 14, 2010 at 2:59 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 14, 2010 at 11:24 am
RE: I love religion! - by lukec - January 14, 2010 at 1:14 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 15, 2010 at 9:48 pm
RE: I love religion! - by ghostlighter - January 17, 2010 at 11:30 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Tiberius - January 19, 2010 at 2:34 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 11, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 13, 2010 at 3:52 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 13, 2010 at 6:47 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 11, 2010 at 9:28 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 15, 2010 at 11:54 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 15, 2010 at 11:17 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 16, 2010 at 5:35 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - February 7, 2010 at 2:22 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - February 7, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: I love religion! - by fr0d0 - January 12, 2010 at 3:43 am
RE: I love religion! - by LEDO - January 12, 2010 at 7:06 pm
RE: I love religion! - by lukec - January 13, 2010 at 6:44 am
RE: I love religion! - by Lilith_86 - January 13, 2010 at 8:03 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 14, 2010 at 8:36 am
RE: I love religion! - by ghostlighter - January 15, 2010 at 4:40 am
RE: I love religion! - by Tiberius - January 13, 2010 at 8:20 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 13, 2010 at 9:10 am
RE: I love religion! - by Tiberius - January 13, 2010 at 9:18 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 13, 2010 at 9:53 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Tiberius - January 14, 2010 at 9:34 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 14, 2010 at 9:52 am
RE: I love religion! - by LukeMC - January 13, 2010 at 10:03 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 13, 2010 at 4:19 pm
RE: I love religion! - by ghostlighter - January 13, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 15, 2010 at 9:16 am
RE: I love religion! - by Edwardo Piet - January 16, 2010 at 6:13 am
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 15, 2010 at 2:58 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 15, 2010 at 8:58 pm
RE: I love religion! - by KichigaiNeko - January 15, 2010 at 11:04 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Lilith_86 - January 16, 2010 at 2:50 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - February 4, 2010 at 9:10 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - February 7, 2010 at 8:42 am
RE: I love religion! - by lukec - January 15, 2010 at 10:43 pm
RE: I love religion! - by lukec - January 16, 2010 at 3:01 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 16, 2010 at 6:30 am
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 16, 2010 at 8:47 am
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 16, 2010 at 9:19 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 16, 2010 at 9:20 am
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 16, 2010 at 10:49 am
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 16, 2010 at 11:00 am
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 16, 2010 at 11:46 am
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 16, 2010 at 12:23 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 18, 2010 at 7:20 am
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 20, 2010 at 3:55 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 20, 2010 at 5:09 pm
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 21, 2010 at 9:35 am
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 16, 2010 at 12:48 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 16, 2010 at 7:09 pm
RE: I love religion! - by lukec - January 19, 2010 at 3:55 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zen Badger - January 19, 2010 at 6:06 am
RE: I love religion! - by KichigaiNeko - January 19, 2010 at 7:48 am
RE: I love religion! - by Violet - January 20, 2010 at 4:46 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 21, 2010 at 5:48 pm
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 22, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 22, 2010 at 1:21 pm
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 22, 2010 at 2:19 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Purple Rabbit - January 24, 2010 at 4:45 am
RE: I love religion! - by tackattack - January 26, 2010 at 9:03 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - January 27, 2010 at 10:35 pm
RE: I love religion! - by Edwardo Piet - February 5, 2010 at 9:46 am
RE: I love religion! - by Zagreus - February 5, 2010 at 12:17 pm
RE: I love religion! - by David Henson - February 6, 2010 at 1:19 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Love of God vs love of a woman Mystic 51 9594 September 26, 2018 at 9:49 pm
Last Post: chimp3
  Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion. ignoramus 86 29767 July 16, 2017 at 7:04 am
Last Post: Der/die AtheistIn
  Religion hurts homosexuality but homosexuality kills religion? deleteduser12345 43 15155 March 30, 2016 at 2:46 am
Last Post: robvalue
  Terrorism has no religion but religion brings terrorism. Islam is NOT peaceful. bussta33 13 6611 January 16, 2016 at 8:25 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Religion's affect outside of religion Heat 67 25360 September 28, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Last Post: TheRocketSurgeon
Rainbow Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion" CristW 288 77053 November 21, 2014 at 4:09 pm
Last Post: DramaQueen
  why does religion choose love nekographic 14 5845 February 4, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Last Post: catfish
  Religion Vs Religion. Bull Poopie 14 6458 September 8, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Last Post: Oldandeasilyconfused



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)