Evolution Trumps Creationism

[Waratah]

this was a neighbor? In luke 11-5 to 13 it clearly states that it is a friend, NOT a neighbour. Why do you insist saying it was a neighbour?

As i pointed out Christ identifies anyone in procximity to you as your neighbor. Hence the parable of the Good sameritian. Therefore if your in proxcimity to a friend he then also considered a neighbor.

You are being intellectually dishonest. No where in the verses you showed says anything about a neighbour being someone who is close by. If that would be true then the robbers, priest and levite would be classified as neighbours, which is incorrect since only the one who showed mercy is classified as the neighbour. If you cannot admit your error here you are a liar.

The following only answers your question, it would be relevant if you could prove that all neighbours are friends.

..I proved that Christ considers all who you come in contact with to be considered as neighbors this includes friends. I simply used the term to distinguish between the 'friend' in the house who had the bread, verses the friend/neighbor outside, and the 'friend' who the bread was for.

Being dishonest again drich. where you use the term neighbour instead of friend. I say you are lying since you use the term for both the person wanting the bread and the one not want to give it. It is quite clear in this post that the reason you do not use the term friend is because one of my arguments relies on the fact that they are friends.

Well from now on let us agree that when jesus said “Suppose you have a friend, and you go to him at midnight and say," that friend here stays as friend and not neighbour. This means that there was no seeking in the context of finding in the parable.

Plus the friend only gave the loaves to get rid of the friend not due to kindness. You are being intellectually dishonest.

Which is why Christ said:
13 Even you who are bad know how to give good things to your children. So surely your heavenly Father knows how to give the Holy Spirit to the people who ask him.”

Here we are still talking about your use of neighbour not verse 13. Here I am pointing out that the friend is not a neighbour going by christs standards due to him not helping his friend straight away. Or are you saying that the friend did get up straight away to help him? Now that would certainly change things.

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The time given in the story and the fact they did not have cars puts the 'friend' in close proximity to the seeker of the breads house. Not to mention this was said by Christ in the pervious chapter:

29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”
The fact that the man in the house help the man outside makes him a neighbor according to Christ which is the only definition that matters as we are speaking of Christianity.

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Question the conversion of asking into knocking. To knock simple means to repeat the process, or to keep seeking and to keep asking. (Like you have done In Your hound dogging me)
Christ tells us to do this in: 9 “So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Where in those 2 verses does it say either to keep asking repeatedly or that asking turns into a knocking.

I did not say asking turns into knocking.

You are such a liar. [u]Here is your post where you said

"knocking as described by Christ is the repetive nature of the asking, and the fact this man remained at his neighbors door step asking/petitioning his neighbor for the bread he desperately needed."

If you got this wrong what else are you wrong about drich?

and it says to keep A/S/K repeatedly here: I tell you, maybe friendship is not enough to make him get up to give you the bread. But he will surely get up to give you what you need if you continue to ask. 9 So I tell you, continue to ask, and God will give to you. Continue to search, and you will find. Continue to knock, and the door will open for you. 10 Yes, whoever continues to ask will receive. Whoever continues to look will find. And whoever continues to knock will have the door opened for them.

Here is drich trying to set up another out by not even trying to answer the question honestly.

Nuupe. I've answered this question 10 times now with the same verse. You do not see it as an answer because your strawman has me saying asking turns into knocking.

So now I am forced to ask again and he will say "but I already answered that question". Sorry drich you and everyone else knows...

Which is why several of your brothers in arms have conceeded the point for you.

Why cut off my quote? Full quote is

"So now I am forced to ask again and he will say "but I already answered that question". Sorry drich you and everyone else knows that the only answer is that asking does not turn into knocking."

Your answer once again has nothing to do with the question. Avoiding questions. Reminds me of one of your threads. hock: The question came about because you asserted that the repeated asking makes it a knock.

Nupe. Again this is the reason this discussion has stalled, you have asserted my position revolves around me saying Asking=knocking.

No seeking or knocking there to get the holy spirit, only ask. Non answer again.

Indeed which is what I have said from the beginning.

You have removed quotes here. My reply of "No seeking or knocking there to get the holy spirit, only ask." was in reply to verse luke 11-13

If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

Finally drich admits that there is no seeking or knocking to get the holy spirit. The part he got wrong is the "said from the beginning.". Please show me where you have said this in the beginning?

In luke 11-5 to 13 it clearly states that it is a friend, NOT a neighbour. Why do you insist saying it was a neighbour?

Because the man at the door and the man in the house were in proxcimity to one another which Jesus identifies as neighbors.

See above where I have proven proximity has nothing to do with neighbours.

Now I would like you now to show me where christ converts the asking into knocking?

first you show me where I said asking converts to knocking.

How many asks does it take to equal a knock?

Again first you show me where I said asking converts to knocking.

Please show me what will be found if I "seek"? No assumptions please.

It is a three part process as I already pointed out we are supposed to be A/S/K for the Holy Spirit. Therefore we will receive the Holy Spirit.

As Per Christ's words:13 Even you who are bad know how to give good things to your children. So surely your heavenly Father knows how to give the Holy Spirit to the people who ask him.”

You just said above that there is no seeking or knocking to get the holy spirit. You do not find the holy spirit, it is given according to verse luke 11-13

If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

Where in the above verse is there any seeking? There is none. So why do you use verse 13 to try and prove your a/s/k when there is no seeking? Non answer again.

Please show me what will be opened if I "knock"? No assumptions please.

"The Door" What door? The door in Heaven That is currently keeping you from the Holy Spirit.

But you agree there is no knocking to receive the holy spirit when you stated

"Indeed which is what I have said from the beginning."

I said no assumptions please. Non answer again

Do you understand the following?

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Let us just assume your right about such a thing as the holy spirit for the following.

Ask you will receive

The Holy Spirit

Seek you will find

The Holy spirit

Knock you will open

And the Door the Holy Spirit stands behind will be open to you.

How do we know this? Because this is the only thing Christ said God was going to give us as a 'gift.'

To receive the holy spirit you must ask.(luke 11-13)

Ask+seek+knock = holy spirit correct

Yes correct

Ask+seek = holy spirit correct
Ask+knock= holy spirit correct
Ask = holy spirit correct
seek+knock = holy spirit incorrect
seek = holy spirit incorrect
knock = holy spirit incorrect

No not correct. None of these examples fit the formula Christ gave.

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