RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
October 5, 2013 at 6:12 am
(This post was last modified: October 5, 2013 at 6:15 am by SavedByGraceThruFaith.)
(October 5, 2013 at 12:22 am)whateverist Wrote:(October 4, 2013 at 9:33 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: OK now prove that abiogenesis is only possible using a god.
^ This. You do realize, theist, that you also believe in a start for life from non-life, don't you? The difference is you think it adds something to say it was done by magic. Inorganic material can never become organic material - unless a magic genie appears and causes it to happen. That is what you believe, isn't it? I don't suppose you ever bother to ask how a god comes to be. That much you are content to leave shrouded in mystery. But if anyone rejects your favorite genie, then you really think you've scored a decisive blow by pointing out holes in our understanding of the inorganic becomes the organic. Your primitive creation myth is far, far less complete. But you simply expect less from it.
Atheistic origin science assumes no magic. But to explain the vast complexity of the life forms on Earth, atheistic origin science requires a multitude of miraculous events, one right after another, in an exact sequence, and in an exact manner. That is ludicrous. It also violates the very assumption of atheistic origin science.
This atheistic origin science is false.
So its opposite, theistic origin science, is true.
Theistic origin science assumes one miraculous thing, the existence of God. But that does not violate its assumption.
(October 4, 2013 at 11:46 pm)Chas Wrote:(October 4, 2013 at 2:19 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If you are willing to acknowledge that God exists and that God created the first living thing, then we can discuss the rest.
No, I'm asking you what your view of evolution would be given those conditions.
Once God is brought into the picture, it makes no sense to assume God did nothing after creating the first simple thing, because that is just returning to the same false assumption that God is not allowed to have done anything.
No. The next step is to identify which God.
So if you are willing to acknowledge that because abiogenesis is false unless God did it, the next step is the identity of God.