RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 8, 2013 at 2:34 pm
(This post was last modified: October 8, 2013 at 2:44 pm by Sword of Christ.)
(October 8, 2013 at 8:53 am)Esquilax Wrote: Riiight, the "secular culture" of places still dominated by christian religious culture, where the majority are christians, etc etc. Entirely in keeping with reality, that.
Perhaps in the US but the problem you have there is hardline fundamentalism it isn't something the scientific or educated community would take seriously. Here in Europe it's more or less dead, if you poke with a stick it may twitch a little. It's just something like say your gran would believe in. If you take Scandinavia that's about as Christian now as it was in the Viking era.
Quote:And... space gnome? Seriously, that's something you'd willingly link to?
You can't argue with the gnome once he's "dropped some knowledge bombs" on you. The main point is you don't know what you think you know you just believe you know what you know, but it's a belief at the end of the day. You don't get to "prove" the existence God either way with science which atheists seem to think they have done.
(October 8, 2013 at 9:18 am)apophenia Wrote: God actually makes a great deal of real rational sense.
Adding a bunch of superfluous adjectives is often a good sign that your proposition doesn't actually make sense.
Something has to exist eternally, our universe didn't and our universe has structure and precise mathematical construction, structure and contingency. You may as well say you can construct a car by detonating a bomb in a junkyard and all the parts just come together naturally. We know something to be the work of an intelligence when we see it the universe is such a construction. Rather than some kind of deism it's clear that there is some kind of relational aspect as you have billions of humans who claim to experience him, you can see the impact of this on the world and throughout history. But if you're just going to ignore all of this then it's not rational, if that's what you want to insist.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.