The dates given by AOS for past events may actually disprove evolution entirely

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Gracie, Gracie Gracie.....

We covered this - remember? You accepted Relativity and the size of the universe - no-one forced you to do it - you volunteered.

So we accept the speed of light over any distance.

But what we did, you and I, was to look at something not at the edges of space, something close by. In fact we looked at the Andromeda Galaxy - remember? The nearest spiral galaxy to us at 2.5 million light years - you do remember this don't you?

Now that means that it took light 2.5 million years to get here - because we accepted Einstein - so the fact that we can see it PROVES the universe to be more than 6,000 years old.

We did it together - remember? Although to be honest it was mostly your own work.

How do you manage to forget these things overnight - every night?

Relativity does not prove the age of the universe at all.

Where did you conjure up that notion?

You do not know that shape of space over large distances.
You do not know the speed of light over large distances.
That is a false conjecture on your part based on the blindness of an already proven false assumption of no God.

Remember the Big Bang theory violates a number of scientific laws and principles.

What was there before the Big Bang?
What caused the Big Bang?

Now Gracie - one subject at a time dear.

"Relativity does not prove the age of the universe at all."

When you accept distance - which you did - then relativity does indeed prove time.

Lets try again - I know you can get this, I just know you can.

Andromeda is nearby - its in our neighbourhood (its on a collision course with our own Milky Way) its that close- just 2.5 million light years away.

Now Relativity - you do understand relativity don't you. The whole idea that the speed of light is constant but time itself varies with speed. You accepted it - remember?

So the speed of light across space is fixed, and we chose a nearby object so we know that there's nothing distorted or funny going on in a distant region of space we know nothing about. No super-massive objects in the way to bend space - just a nice straight line of clean space between us and Andromeda.

So we know how fast light travels - and we know how far (2.5 million light years) so we know how long it took.

So we know the universe is at least as old as it took light to get here (actually plus another thousand odd years as the Persians first saw Andromeda in about 975).

But we (you and me Gracie), we have established without a single reason for doubt that the universe is at least 2,500,000 years old. The flood can't change that, all those pesky fossils can't change that even God can't - because we did it - you and me.