What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?

[Esquilax]

You know this because?

There's no evidence, and hence no reason to believe. You keep saying there could be no evidence, and therefore the god you believe in has absolutely no reason to believe in him. You dug this hole yourself.

If he isn't the eternal creator of existence he isn't God.

Assuming that you're going to define god by those rigid characteristics alone.

The creation of the universe wouldn't just happen there be some kind of process or mechanism involved. One that's beyond our understanding or ability observe perhaps. Anything that is real that happens but is beyond our ability to understand could be seen as a magic.

So if it's beyond our understanding, what possible justification could you have for believing that it's god?

The perfect natural balance of a universe that allowed the creation of supreme forms of complexity to develop should at least be a clue for you.

Just because you assert that, doesn't make it so. How many black holes do we have, tearing into the universe and destroying everything in their path? How many uninhabitable worlds, separated by immense distances of nothingness suffused with radiation? How many tiny particles of space debris that, simply due to the laws of physics, become deadly missiles before they hit something?

When you demand that we see all this as "perfectly balanced" you're just being a toddler. The more we learn about the universe, the more nonsensical, complex and dangerous it becomes.

Oh, and incidentally, what kind of science education do you have?

And we know there actually was a point of creation you would think we would drawing nearer to God by now given what science has shown us.

No, we know there was a point at which the universe as we know it came into existence. That's not a creation, in any sense of the word.

God is God there is only one and all religions based on God are based on God. There are some strong disagreements about some of the details and I'm not saying they're going to be all equally as true. A deistic God may as well be a non-existent God but it's a step in the right direction.

Yawn, more bare assertions with nothing to support them.