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What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
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RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....?
" There was accumulative complexity built into the system from the start, the universe is something that grew and developed, there most certainly was a direction or goal to it. "

Really - and you know this how exactly?

" Everything is on a natural cycle of some kind and it is a deliberate one."

Really - and you know this how exactly?

"This is the nature of what the universe is and what it does."

Well not exactly. We are seeing the same types of celestial bodies now as we see 10 billion years ago. There's no onwards and upwards in space - only, possibly in life, and even that's not 100% as we have already established.

"Nothing (we know of) is physically more complex than the human body and brain. "

Whilst I might agree with the brain the human body is no great leap forwards. In fact huge parts of it appear to be very badly designed indeed.

"There was nothing like humanity before on this planet everything was built up toward the point of ultimate complexity. "

And how do you know we have reached the point of ultimate complexity? Judging by the past (98% of all species that have ever lived are now extinct) there is a VERY good chance we too will go extinct to be replaced by something else.

"This being a function of the universe itself as designed, created and sustained by the eternal God who is the ultimate source of all nature. All this is a complete and well manufactured living system. Feel free to point out how science contradicts any of it. "

No evidence of design. Certainly the universe is not well designed for life, that much we know. In fact the only place in the entire universe we know we can live is here. There might be other places, there might not, but they are going to be a bugger to find even if they do exist.

"Pterosaurs declined and went virtually extinct by the end of the era of the dinosaurs due to competition with birds."

Source? What bird, exactly, could compete with a 400 kilogram pterosaur as tall as a giraffe?

"A progression intentionally built into the universe by God, this occured on a planet wide and universe wide scale everything is linked as part of the same process."

No evidence of intention. Planet-wide apparently not (The thriving life of Antarctica is now buried under 2 miles of ice). What link is there between the process on earth (evolution and natural selection) and the operation of the universe? I don't see how you made that leap.

"He made the processes that lead to the evolution and development of life not the individual organisms. Though human like intelligent civilized life was his goal that's what the universe is for this is what he had in mind and that's why we are here."

So you are saying evolution, through natural selection, operated to a plan - with the aim of creating us? Evidence? Why did God go through 5 great extinction events with entire phyla of creatures roaming the earth for tens or even hundreds of millions of years going extinct? Why would he make it look so totally random?

4 billion years to get to his target state of human like intelligent civilized life? How inefficient can a God be?
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Messages In This Thread
What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by HUMAN BRAIN - October 10, 2013 at 8:03 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Psykhronic - October 10, 2013 at 8:06 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Cyberman - October 10, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by HUMAN BRAIN - October 11, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Bucky Ball - October 11, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Bad Writer - October 10, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Kayenneh - October 10, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Whateverist - October 10, 2013 at 9:08 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Minimalist - October 10, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Kayenneh - October 10, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Airyaman - October 10, 2013 at 9:26 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Rahul - October 10, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by max-greece - October 11, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Esquilax - October 11, 2013 at 4:28 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Esquilax - October 11, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Tonus - October 11, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Esquilax - October 11, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Whateverist - October 11, 2013 at 9:55 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by HUMAN BRAIN - October 11, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Zazzy - October 11, 2013 at 8:03 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by max-greece - October 11, 2013 at 6:24 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Chas - October 11, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Kayenneh - October 11, 2013 at 5:38 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by StuW - October 11, 2013 at 7:06 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Airyaman - October 11, 2013 at 7:51 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Ryantology - October 11, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Tonus - October 11, 2013 at 9:45 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by LastPoet - October 11, 2013 at 9:51 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Ryantology - October 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by max-greece - October 11, 2013 at 9:55 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Walking Void - October 11, 2013 at 10:00 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by max-greece - October 11, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by max-greece - October 11, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Esquilax - October 11, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by LastPoet - October 11, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Esquilax - October 11, 2013 at 1:57 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Ryantology - October 11, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Zazzy - October 11, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by HUMAN BRAIN - October 11, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Tonus - October 11, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Zazzy - October 11, 2013 at 10:54 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Zazzy - October 11, 2013 at 12:37 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by max-greece - October 11, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Re: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by StuW - October 11, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Walking Void - October 11, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Cyberman - October 11, 2013 at 9:47 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by max-greece - October 12, 2013 at 4:34 am
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by HUMAN BRAIN - October 12, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Zazzy - October 13, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Dunno - October 13, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: What Was Before ' the Beginning '....? - by Brian37 - October 13, 2013 at 5:24 pm

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