RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 12, 2013 at 12:50 pm
(This post was last modified: October 12, 2013 at 12:52 pm by Bucky Ball.)
(October 12, 2013 at 3:48 am)Faith No More Wrote:(October 12, 2013 at 2:35 am)snowtracks Wrote: the U. itself is an effect. the principle of causality says cause is alway greater than the effect and always precedes the effect. no human has ever seen this principle violated.
Now all you have to do is explain how something can precede something else when time does not exist.
Exactly.
The next problem is to explain the "Principle of Causality".
If his deity is the creator of (all of) Reality, (and is not just subsumed within it, and thus not the creator of all things), then it would have had to CAUSE the Principle of Causality, (as well as the ENTIRE STRUCTURE of Reality, including the very "structure" of existence vs non-existence). How can Causality be caused, if Causality is not, a priori, in place in the structure of Reality, in the first place ? It's meaningless, (and infinite regression). A deity which HAD to create the structure of Reality, cannot be subsumed within it, and still of necessity, REQUIRE a portion of it, for it's own "existence", (which it, by definition created).
The word "creation" is an action verb. Actions REQUIRE the dimension of time, a priori. Actions have beginnings, and endings. Creation, at least in theology was an intentional act. Intention and actions require time. We know that in this universe time and space are not separate. So as far as we know, this acting/creating, (and actually even "existing") deity NEEDS spacetime. Quite the corner they got themselves painted into there.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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