Purchasing One's Atheism Cheaply

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Are you kidding? Do you really have to contort Deidre's words to try to patronize her? You know exactly what she was saying. Playing word games may amuse you, but it's a dishonest tactic. This appears to be largely how you deal with arguments- finding a sentence that can be misconstrued, misconstruing it, and ignoring everything else.

You have had a few interesting things to say, Vinny. This kind of behavior cheapens all your arguments.


*edited to spell Deidre's name right.

That's nonsense. Even if you define atheism as a "lack of belief in God", thereby framing your belief as "there is insufficient evidence to compel me to believe that a God exists",

...that would be a view you hold. It implies the view that belief in God entails meeting a threshold of evidence, the view that the threshold is reasonable, and the view that the threshold has not been reached.

Do atheists hold to such a view? Even if they misdefine their atheism, that is the view they hold.

So to claim atheists don't subscribe to a view is nonsense.

Besides, the shitty definition of atheism you guys like to use is actually the definition most typical of agnosticism, which rejects the views of both theists and atheists.

But in rejecting both those views, agnosticism itself entails a view, namely either that one cannot know whether or not God exists, or that one does not know whether or not God exists. I think the last one is closely related to, if not identical to, "ignosticism".

If you stop playing the victim and think carefully, you'll see we can even construct a reductio ad absurdum:

Take this axiom: According to some atheists, they (typically) hold the view that atheism is defined as the lack of belief in God, that belief in God requires a certain amount of evidence, and that amount of evidence does not exist.

1) Atheists reject all views. [According to Zazzy]
2) The axiom is a view that atheists hold.
3) Therefore atheists reject their own views. [Modus ponens]

The only way you could get out of this silly situation is to deny the axiom. Which would itself be incoherent.

Herp derp, Zazzy.

Vinny.... when you read something around here you need to keep in mind the context.
Zazzy surely didn't mean that "atheists reject all views", but rather, in context, "atheists reject all views pertaining to the existence of gods".
Hence, your 1) has no relation to 2) nor 3).... meaning you wasted a good opportunity to remain silent.