(October 22, 2013 at 8:13 am)Brian37 Wrote:(October 21, 2013 at 6:17 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: You have time, space, energy and matter converting into each other and generally things that occur and happen in a sequence so there's a lot going on there but of all of this has to start somewhere. You can see the universe as like a ball rolling down a mountain, the mountain isn't and can't practically infinitely tall but will have a summit where everything will be in a resting state and from here the action can be kicked off. You have a starting point for everything that exists which is always there.
The bible is a comic book, not a science textbook. And you are still stuck with other religions claiming their god as the gap answer, and all of you are still stuck with the problem of infinite regress.
It never occurs to any of you that "all this" is a product of a "what" and not a magical "who".
What is scaring you so much at the thought of this being it? What is scaring you so much at the prospect of being finite and ultimately irrelevant to the past when you didn't exist, and to the future when you will not exist? To me it is like being frightened needlessly at the seasons changing.
My life is no different than yours. My life was no different when I did believe. I simply got to the point where filling in that gap with a stupid projection of human qualities on the invisible, made no sense.
Many here who used to believe can tell you the big sense of relief once you realize you don't have to defend that garbage. It was understandable when our species didn't know any better. But you look silly now.
I do not extract my knowledge from the bible like Sword of Christ however your comment does not make any sense.
If we are finite as you say then all the knowledge and consciousness that we got goes to the dogs once we die and by the way where this knowledge and consciousness come from?
Who build it up?
Oh, somebody else build it up for us?
How ridiculous you are!!!
Since when we get something for free?
Didn't you go from primary to high school and from here to some trade or uni and from here to work experience and from here to some work and from here you realize that the hard work continue on and on?
Are you joking?

Physically speaking nothing get lost so why this rule should not apply to something a lot higher like consciousness?
Where is the evidence that we are finite?
