RE: Theists, some questions
October 25, 2013 at 12:14 am
(This post was last modified: October 25, 2013 at 12:17 am by Einharjar.)
@ Sword of Christ
You sir, seem utterly corrupted in your faith. You're being highly judgmental, when it's not your place. Only your God is meant to judge who lives and dies and by you pointing out targets, your corruption begins to blur your honesty.
To answer the damned question FOR you since you seem to be quite cowardly about it -
The Christian God will not let murder become moral unless it is justified as a retribution.
The Christian God for example, told Abraham to kill his only son. Out of fear of the "Lord", Abraham was about to commit to the command when God stopped him simply for the sake of the child (who did not merit any reason to become a victim of murder).
The Christian God however, will and did command individuals to slay those who had deliberately denied "Him", his "people" (Hebrews) or whom were deemed utterly wretched by the morals imposed by God himself (some of which, don't seem to be of lucid origins). For example, the battle of Jericho was a result of the commands of God to slaughter every single Canaanite within, say for one - simply because she was a traitor to her own people.
Summery below.
"God spoke to Joshua telling him to march around the city once every day for six days with the seven priests carrying ram's horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day they were to march around the city seven times and the priests were to blow their ram's horns. And Joshua ordered the people to shout. The walls of the city collapsed, and the Israelites were able to charge straight into the city. The city was completely destroyed, and every man, woman, child and animal in it was killed by Joshua's army as an offering to God. Only Rahab and her family were spared, because she had hidden the two spies sent by Joshua."
In this instance alone, moral grounds are just - insane.
The Judean and Christian faiths usually give hints to an "age of innocence" or "age of accountability". While the Bible (new Testament AND old) doesn't give an actual age, it is said several times that when children die prior to being of age to profess beliefs, they are "auto-saved" by God. Insta-heaven invited.
21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this thing that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.” 22 He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, p‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ 23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”
This is from 2nd Samuel. It's probably the clearest cut "age" limit... super vague. however David clarified that when a "child" dies prior to being able to "believe" in God (I guess this means, when they are old enough to realize what it means to believe in a God, especially the Hebrew God) that their souls are not punished. They don't even need to come in front of of the "Great White Throne Judgment" (the last Judgement during the Biblical prophetic End Times). They are simply given VIP passes.
However, because of this, it seems odd that it is there for ok to slaughter every child in Jericho simply because "they know not what Belief is yet, so God will save them -slices a 5 year olds throat-". If it's this easy, then why not slaughter us all in our sleep like was done in Egypt and the first born? Eh?
Doing the same shit again?
Slaughter kids because "Nah, they're innocent. They'll be fine". It's almost a perverted way to twist the very words of Pharaoh Ramses the 1st in "Prince of Egypt" - "Oh my Son, they were only slaves". Sounds just like the scriptures... No wonder the book is vague about the topic.
Don't even get me started on how commands to kill enforced by God tread on his will to give us "freedom of choice" and how it's bullshit that innocents get to die before their choices are even made...
You sir, seem utterly corrupted in your faith. You're being highly judgmental, when it's not your place. Only your God is meant to judge who lives and dies and by you pointing out targets, your corruption begins to blur your honesty.
To answer the damned question FOR you since you seem to be quite cowardly about it -
The Christian God will not let murder become moral unless it is justified as a retribution.
The Christian God for example, told Abraham to kill his only son. Out of fear of the "Lord", Abraham was about to commit to the command when God stopped him simply for the sake of the child (who did not merit any reason to become a victim of murder).
The Christian God however, will and did command individuals to slay those who had deliberately denied "Him", his "people" (Hebrews) or whom were deemed utterly wretched by the morals imposed by God himself (some of which, don't seem to be of lucid origins). For example, the battle of Jericho was a result of the commands of God to slaughter every single Canaanite within, say for one - simply because she was a traitor to her own people.
Summery below.
"God spoke to Joshua telling him to march around the city once every day for six days with the seven priests carrying ram's horns in front of the ark. On the seventh day they were to march around the city seven times and the priests were to blow their ram's horns. And Joshua ordered the people to shout. The walls of the city collapsed, and the Israelites were able to charge straight into the city. The city was completely destroyed, and every man, woman, child and animal in it was killed by Joshua's army as an offering to God. Only Rahab and her family were spared, because she had hidden the two spies sent by Joshua."
In this instance alone, moral grounds are just - insane.
The Judean and Christian faiths usually give hints to an "age of innocence" or "age of accountability". While the Bible (new Testament AND old) doesn't give an actual age, it is said several times that when children die prior to being of age to profess beliefs, they are "auto-saved" by God. Insta-heaven invited.
21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this thing that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.” 22 He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, p‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ 23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”
This is from 2nd Samuel. It's probably the clearest cut "age" limit... super vague. however David clarified that when a "child" dies prior to being able to "believe" in God (I guess this means, when they are old enough to realize what it means to believe in a God, especially the Hebrew God) that their souls are not punished. They don't even need to come in front of of the "Great White Throne Judgment" (the last Judgement during the Biblical prophetic End Times). They are simply given VIP passes.
However, because of this, it seems odd that it is there for ok to slaughter every child in Jericho simply because "they know not what Belief is yet, so God will save them -slices a 5 year olds throat-". If it's this easy, then why not slaughter us all in our sleep like was done in Egypt and the first born? Eh?
Doing the same shit again?
Slaughter kids because "Nah, they're innocent. They'll be fine". It's almost a perverted way to twist the very words of Pharaoh Ramses the 1st in "Prince of Egypt" - "Oh my Son, they were only slaves". Sounds just like the scriptures... No wonder the book is vague about the topic.
Don't even get me started on how commands to kill enforced by God tread on his will to give us "freedom of choice" and how it's bullshit that innocents get to die before their choices are even made...
"He who so forgets history is doomed to repeat it." - Churchill
