(October 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:(October 28, 2013 at 6:21 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: Ok, before the "God problem" you present . . .
Two people are in a room, person A and person B. Person A goes over to Person B and punches him/her in the face repeatedly.
Assuming that Person B does not want to be punched in the face, is there a problem? And how do we know?
Or how about this . . .
People A and People B both live on the same planet. Despite being of the same species (homo sapiens) People A terrorizes People B, locks them up, exterminating some and carrying out painful experiments on the rest.
Is there a problem? And how do we know?
If this is your style, you'll burn fast strawman. Ignore list here you come.
This is not a straw man. You claimed that I was making up a problem to justify God. I am countering that by first addressing that there is a problem in the world that I did not create - the way people treat others at times.
So, my question to you is, "If there is a problem in the world, how do we know it to be a problem without first admitting that there is sin?"
If the word "sin" throws you, we can call it whatever you like. Immoral behavior? Either way, I did not create it.
Once we agree on this point (or disagree), we can start working towards the "God problem" you presented - What does God have to do with "immoral behavior."
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton