RE: Sinful Believers Wearing Their Sins
October 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm
(This post was last modified: October 28, 2013 at 8:13 pm by GodsRevolt.)
(October 28, 2013 at 7:49 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: By telling me that I am a sinner from birth and that I need him from the get-go, or the sentence is eternity for me in a hell the he also created if I don't agree with his pronouncement of judgment. Extortion much? AND for something no one can prove I'm responsible for - I just inherit it (thanks god, but i reject THAT inheritance).
Your own free will? It is most likely that "your will" like mine, and most decent people, has been subconsciously shaped to agree with the social model over millions of years of evolution. Your 'sense' of where that comes from requires no more than your biological agreement with your current evolutionary composition.
On a side note; I would be inclined to accept your apology for the same reason that you made it - because our chemicals make us feel best when we agree with their ordered structure and function.
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So you are rejecting free will so much as to say that we have been shaped and have trouble breaking from the chemicals and social patterns? But where does free will come in, then? You said earlier that apologizing as well as forgiveness are a choice, but not if we only do it because we are shaped to do it. But if we are wired to be "good members of the community" why do so many still act outside of the chemical and social shaping?
And if free will really does exist, how hard is it to break away from these chemicals and social constructs? Would there be a reason to do so? or is it better to just give in and let the chemicals take you? (Some sort of naturally "good" high) Should we choose to be the robot?
It seems to me that we need something outside of ourselves to not only lay out the rules but to also forgive us when we do not follow those rules. That is what makes us truly human, that is what makes us truly free. Not slaves to chemicals or dependent on social constructs, but beings living in a state of pure free-will with genuine choices that have consequences (like you said)
Also, sorry i keep messing up the quotes. I am trying to trim them, but I think I am taking out the important parts.
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton
