(November 1, 2013 at 10:09 pm)Cinjin Wrote: The Book of Job reveals an extremely bizarre relationship between god and the devil that only our filthy apologists can shrug off, but I'll point out the absurdities anyway and we can all enjoy the ridiculous gymnastics they do.Satan is not a god himself, it is not God's equal. He is a member of creation and there fore a subject of God. A relectuant servant if you will. Why should God be seperated from those who serve Him?
The devil was once Lucifer who was admittedly kicked out of Heaven long before Job existed. Why is god in council with the Devil?
Quote:Why does god meet with his arch enemy?Satan represents Choice, not an equally apposing force to God. God allows us choice therefore satan serves God be offering the choice God allows us to have.
Quote:and for that matter, WHERE does he meet with him?Starbucks. Or anywhere else He wants.
Quote:If god is all-powerful, does the Devil not know this???? Why would the devil challenge an all-powerful being?
why do you?Quote:Seems like a sure-fire way to lose a bet.indeed.
Quote:Why would god entertain such a bet? Isn't god all-knowing? Wouldn't he know the outcome?job's suffering went well past job. Thousands of years later and we are still talking about it. I believe this exchange gives us critical information to the nature of God that would be counter intuitive to how humans wish to see and want to worship a god built for a pedistle. Just look at your questions and comments so far. They all center around this predominantly catholic idea of who and what God is. When the book of Job tells us otherwise. Which would not have been possible without these events.
And since he did know that outcome does that not make him so much more sadistic - willing to see one of his own dear creations tortured just to prove some idiotic point?
Quote:Did god love Job?yes with out question or doubt.
Quote:Why would someone who loved you kill everyone you love?nothing job had belonged to job. Job like the rest of us are stewards. Everything we have belongs to God and we need to be ready to give whatever we are looking after back when he asks for it. God in the book of Job asked for everything back all at once, simply because it was His right to do so.
When Job was shown to be faithful he was given ten times what he originally had.
Quote:Did god send Job's wife to hell even though she was just part of a twisted game to prove something to his arch enemy?the bible does not say.(from what I remember.)
Quote:If the devil convinced god to allow him to torture Job by making the claim that Job didn't truly love god than doesn't that mean that even god wasn't sure if Job loved him??unlike you or I God motives have been shown to not be concerned with proving Himself in the moment. Again the events of the book of Job wasn't for the benefit of the major Characters in the book, but for everyone else who came after and read what had happened.
Quote:It goes on and on, but my point is, that the story of Job is not one that should inspire. It should terrify the shit out of any sheep. Not only do you have to protect yourself from the devil, but you better damn well watch your back when your god's got you covered.the only one who should be afraid is the lost brother who aligns himself with God as away to obtain stuff. Because if stuff is the goal then one should fear because God has shown He can and will take said stuff away.
If God is your ultimate Goal then "whether The Lord gives or takes away, one can say Blessed be the name of God."
Quote:(Also, before a theist goes and uses the bull shit "god gave it all back and then some" argument, you can't get back the dead, and everyone knows there is no replacing a dead child.)how do you know?
