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(November 3, 2013 at 5:53 am)missluckie26 Wrote: Why don't I believe in bigfoot? Because there's no evidence for him. Why don't I believe in god? Same epically monumental problem. That said, there could be a god who started everything we see. I'm still looking for that god, however...
Drich Wrote:As far as that goes Hell is the absents of God. The torment comes for. Our nature of being a member of creation, and suddenly being seperated form it for all of eternity. Hell in of itself is torment, there is no need for one to actively torment you.
Hell is not just absence from god.
Revelations 14 (NEW TESTAMENT)
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
Revelations 21
8 But for the cowardly and [d]unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and [e]brimstone, which is the second death.”
Revelations 19
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for true and just are his judgments. He has condemned the great prostitute who corrupted the earth by her adulteries. He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”
And again they shouted: “Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”
Revelations 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beastu and the false prophetv had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.
(Rev. 19:19-21)
But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Acts 4:12
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."
1 John 5:10-12
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
Matthew 10:33
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.
John 3:14-17
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
Drich Wrote:the only thing worse than a Harry potter book is a Harry potter movie. Not because of the witch craft but because of general bad writting and poor imagination suckiness.
Um, you read the books then?
Also Drich, how about you not be lazy, and point out to poor ToriJ here where you think you have a point in the 22 page thread you just linked her/him to? Jesus.
Tori look like she pretty smart. If she read nothing else other than the op I think she could figure it out. Now that said if you need help figuring things out don't pretend tori is the dummy here, just ask me to show you what I mean.
As far as what hell is look up the two words in the orginal texts that describe it, then reconcile those meanings with the verses you left. If your honest you will see an absences or seperation from God/eternal life. If not, then you can chase your own tail about the biblical meaning of a place you supposedly don't believe in but know all about...
