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Poll: What do you think of this story in the Book of Job?
This poll is closed.
It's a completely literal story that should inspire Christians to do right.
6.67%
2 6.67%
Yahweh is way to concerned about how much people love him.
16.67%
5 16.67%
It's completely the Devil's fault.
3.33%
1 3.33%
God works in mysterious ways.
3.33%
1 3.33%
Both god and the devil are a couple of wicked wicked horrible, self-absorbed characters in a fictional story.
63.33%
19 63.33%
I'm proud to be a sheep. This is a great story.
6.67%
2 6.67%
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Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
(November 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm)John V Wrote:
(November 4, 2013 at 3:31 pm)Dionysius Wrote: In Job 1:8 after God noticing satan's apparent idleness asked him if he had considered his servant Job, delineating his noteworthy attributes. Satan goes on to insinuate that he has noticed Job but if were not for the hedge of protection that God had placed about him he likely would have already set upon him. So God does the unthinkable, he removes his protection from Job allowing satan to have at him.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree with your conclusion. As you note yourself, God praises Job, while Satan makes charges against him. God removes the hedge about him, but it's Satan who attacks. Satan is the antagonist.


Of course you're gonna have to disagree because your theological model can't contend with the facts of the Book.


To reiterate, make sure you comprehend this very important point: God acts first by removing his protection from Job? Why would God, pray tell do such a thing? So that Satan could attack him.


Ergo, God put forth his hand to harm Job intentionally. There is no way you or any other apologist can worm their way around this textual fact. Please note: it was not Satan's idea to persecute poor old Job! God brought up the subject!
"This time the bullet cold rocked ya a yellow ribbon instead of a swastika?" -RATM
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Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 1, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Sejanus - November 1, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Jacob(smooth) - November 27, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 10:15 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 10:25 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 11:33 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mister Agenda - November 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 1, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 11:40 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 2, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 2, 2013 at 3:21 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 2, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 3, 2013 at 9:36 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by max-greece - November 2, 2013 at 3:54 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 2, 2013 at 4:33 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by freedomfromforum - November 4, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by themonkeyman - November 4, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 4, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Doubting Thomas - November 4, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 4, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 2, 2013 at 6:26 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 3, 2013 at 9:45 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 3, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 3, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 3, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 4, 2013 at 11:47 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 12:20 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 12:28 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 1:11 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 4, 2013 at 1:22 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 3, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 4, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by freedomfromforum - November 4, 2013 at 12:30 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 5, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 5, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 5, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 7, 2013 at 12:57 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 6, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 6, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 6, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 7, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 7, 2013 at 1:04 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 7, 2013 at 1:08 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 8, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 10:26 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 10:49 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Ayen - November 8, 2013 at 10:46 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 9, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 9, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 9, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 12, 2013 at 6:57 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 12, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 12, 2013 at 7:09 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 12, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 12, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 12, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 13, 2013 at 6:25 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 13, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 13, 2013 at 10:13 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 13, 2013 at 5:07 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 13, 2013 at 1:02 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 13, 2013 at 6:32 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 13, 2013 at 6:38 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bob Kelso - November 14, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 6:53 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 9:17 am

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