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Poll: What do you think of this story in the Book of Job?
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It's a completely literal story that should inspire Christians to do right.
6.67%
2 6.67%
Yahweh is way to concerned about how much people love him.
16.67%
5 16.67%
It's completely the Devil's fault.
3.33%
1 3.33%
God works in mysterious ways.
3.33%
1 3.33%
Both god and the devil are a couple of wicked wicked horrible, self-absorbed characters in a fictional story.
63.33%
19 63.33%
I'm proud to be a sheep. This is a great story.
6.67%
2 6.67%
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Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
(November 4, 2013 at 4:03 pm)Dionysius Wrote: Of course you're gonna have to disagree because your theological model can't contend with the facts of the Book.

To reiterate, make sure you comprehend this very important point: God acts first by removing his protection from Job? Why would God, pray tell do such a thing? So that Satan could attack him.
Yes, key point being that it's Satan who attacks, as you note yourself.
Quote:Ergo, God put forth his hand to harm Job intentionally. There is no way you or any other apologist can worm their way around this textual fact. Please note: it was not Satan's idea to persecute poor old Job! God brought up the subject!
Not Satan's idea?

Job 1
9 So Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10 Have You not made a hedge around him, around his household, and around all that he has on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But now, stretch out Your hand and touch all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face!”

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Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 1, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Sejanus - November 1, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Jacob(smooth) - November 27, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 10:15 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 10:25 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 11:33 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mister Agenda - November 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 1, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 11:40 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 2, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 2, 2013 at 3:21 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 2, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 3, 2013 at 9:36 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by max-greece - November 2, 2013 at 3:54 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 2, 2013 at 4:33 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by themonkeyman - November 4, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 4, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Doubting Thomas - November 4, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 4, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by GodsRevolt - November 2, 2013 at 4:57 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 3, 2013 at 9:45 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 4, 2013 at 1:22 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 4, 2013 at 12:15 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Ayen - November 8, 2013 at 10:46 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 9, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 9, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 9, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 12, 2013 at 6:57 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 12, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 12, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 13, 2013 at 6:25 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 13, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 10:04 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 13, 2013 at 5:07 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bob Kelso - November 14, 2013 at 1:45 am
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