Yahweh, the Devil, and Job

[themonkeyman]

Are you bat shit stupid?

No. My IQ is 145.

Lovely so you are an intelligent Idiot. -- Wait!

Does your bible not require you to think like a Child 'E.g. - Be Ignorant' of everything and everyone else and very self centred.

I think you are incompatable with your religion considering most people who started it were people who watched sheep day and night.

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Actually YOU are the one making yourself appear ignorant. It is satan who is the instigator of Jobs affliction.

Job 1:1
"In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil."

That is where the story starts and where it should end happily ever after.

But....

Enter satan. And at Job 2:3 we see that it is satan who tries to incite God against him to ruin him without any reason.

Job 2:3
"Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.”

Does God stretch out His hand to afflict Job?
No! It is satan who does so.
Naturally satan the gutless taunts God, baiting Him to afflict Job. (Verse 4)

But God doesn't fall for it and hence satan is denied the chance to blame the whole thing back on God when Job (rightly) contemplates what's going on. God clearly warns satan "...he is in your hands"

Read carefully. It is satan who afflicts Job.

Job 2:7
"So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and afflicted Job with painful sores from the soles of his feet to the crown of his head."

I'm going to state the facts one last time for the logic impaired:



1) God ask satan if he has considered Job.
2) Satan acknowledges that he has BUT can't test him because God protects him.
3) God removes his protection from Job.
4) Satan attacks Job.
5) Job is AFU whining like a stuck pig wondering why God allowed satan to attack him.
6) Job calls his wife a batty old whore when she tells him to give God the bird recounting the biblical fact that God causes evil and good to befall mankind.
7) God makes an appearance and tells Job he is a dumbass
8) Job is reconciled with God with greater abundance attributed to his testing - he understands now.
9) End of fairy tale.

My Views

1) God and Satan seam to be rather like pals. It opens a view that Heaven can also contain 'Sinners' which surely is incompatible with God since heaven is supposed to be his dwelling place.

2) Interestingly they talk like everything is natural. Considering the fact that the Book of Job is the oldest book in the bible it opens for the view that it is literally a book of contrasting Light from Dark, What I mean is that perhaps this god is not YAHWEH.

Do I need to say more.

Lets take a look at the Message

6-7 One day when the angels came to report to God, Satan, who was the <b>Designated Accuser</b>, came along with them. God singled out Satan and said, “What have you been up to?” -<i>Note casualness</i>

Satan answered God, “Going here and there, checking things out on earth.” <i>Again very informal - No fear of the guy he tried to fight against </i>

8 God said to Satan, “Have you noticed my friend Job? There’s no one quite like him—honest and true to his word, <b>totally devoted to God</b> and hating evil.” <i>Err totally devoted to God, what God is God talking about why did he not say, Totally devoted to me?</i>

9-10 Satan retorted, “So do you think Job does all that out of the sheer goodness of his heart? Why, no one ever had it so good! You pamper him like a pet, make sure nothing bad ever happens to him or his family or his possessions, bless everything he does—he can’t lose!

11 “But what do you think would happen if <b>you reached down and took away everything that is his?</b> He’d curse you right to your face, that’s what.” <i>Again Satan presents this case for God to do the dirty work</i>

12 God replied, “<b>We’ll see. Go ahead—do what you want with all that is his. Just don’t hurt him.</b>” Then Satan left the presence of God. - <i> Again we see that God literally said to Satan do what you want!</i>

Kinda fucked here - Now for all the Christians here, This came from the Message which is technically Scripture, Please feel free to call it a lie but in doing so remember this is a Paraphrase of your own core belief.