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Theists, some questions
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RE: Theists, some questions
(October 29, 2013 at 6:40 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: But is that a moral action if you are doing it because you are told to do it? God isn't telling you why, God is just saying to do it. Can that even possibly be a moral action? You bring up Abraham and Isaac, that clearly demonstrates the answer to the prior question. It isn't a moral action to simply blindly follow the commands of an authority figure. (Hitler gave some pretty messed up orders too).

If I knew someone was going to kill someone else, I would not consider it a moral action to take their life in order to prevent it. There are other means of prevention.

Sorry, I left this thread alone for a while because the first response I got was that I was delusional, and if you honestly think I am delusional then we can't have much of a conversation about anything.

So, I'll keep this up . . .

Following the command of a man/or woman blindly strictly because they are in charge does not necessarily make your action moral, but it doesn't make it immoral either. For instance, if Mother Teresa told me to kill someone that would immoral. If Hitler told me to go feed a starving man, that would be moral.

The problem that you assert is that if God told you to do something that is typically seen as immoral, would you do it? The trick here is because if you do it you are making an immoral choice, and thus sinning, But if you do NOT do it then you are disobeying God, which would also be sinning.

But I ask you: Is Hitler God? Is Mother Teresa God?

No!

God is the creator of all things. If he had chosen to create a universe where killing was moral, it would be so. To ask this question, the one you pose, is to put the creator of man on the same level as man. It is like comparing yourself to a stick figure that you drew. The stick figure will never be anything like the living and breathing and three dimensional you. It is two different plains of existence.

God told Abraham to kill his son.
God told Jonah to preach to hopeless sinners.
God told Joseph to take care of a pregnant woman.
God told Moses to challenge the Pharaoh
God told Noah to build an ark.
God told Jesus He had to die.

These were all crazy things at the time, but when God speaks, you listen.
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton
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Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 21, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 21, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - October 22, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Minimalist - October 22, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 22, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tripwire - January 31, 2014 at 12:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Mothonis - October 22, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 23, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 23, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - October 23, 2013 at 5:34 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - October 23, 2013 at 8:25 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Minimalist - October 22, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 7:07 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 22, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 22, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by max-greece - October 23, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 22, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Zazzy - October 22, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - October 23, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 23, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Einharjar - October 25, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 27, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 27, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 27, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 27, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - October 28, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 28, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - October 28, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 28, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 29, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 7, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - November 7, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 9, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 11, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 12, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 7, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 5, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 10:18 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 5, 2013 at 10:23 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 11, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 11, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 3:12 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 13, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 10:19 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 14, 2013 at 10:34 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 13, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 13, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 14, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 12:23 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 15, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - November 15, 2013 at 6:30 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Doubting Thomas - November 15, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 16, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 15, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by KichigaiNeko - November 13, 2013 at 8:01 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 14, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 14, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by quantum_obedience - November 14, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by quantum_obedience - November 14, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by frankiej - November 14, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 15, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 15, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 15, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - November 16, 2013 at 1:44 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 15, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by anonymous108 - January 24, 2014 at 10:32 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Angrboda - January 30, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Whateverist - January 24, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - January 30, 2014 at 7:15 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 4:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Angrboda - January 30, 2014 at 4:07 pm

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