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Poll: What do you think of this story in the Book of Job?
This poll is closed.
It's a completely literal story that should inspire Christians to do right.
6.67%
2 6.67%
Yahweh is way to concerned about how much people love him.
16.67%
5 16.67%
It's completely the Devil's fault.
3.33%
1 3.33%
God works in mysterious ways.
3.33%
1 3.33%
Both god and the devil are a couple of wicked wicked horrible, self-absorbed characters in a fictional story.
63.33%
19 63.33%
I'm proud to be a sheep. This is a great story.
6.67%
2 6.67%
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Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
(November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)John V Wrote: First, as we were originally made in his image, it's not unexpected that his traits will have some overlap with ours.

Second...who are you to say that there's a specific way that a deity would necessarily behave?

I'm judging how a deity would behave based upon the abilities attributed to it. I find it hard to swallow that an omnipotent, omniscient deity would be concerned with such petty things as praise, which come about from the finite capacity for knowledge and emotional shortcomings.

(November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)John V Wrote: Incorrect. God is pleased with faithfulness. This is clear in the account. Read the last few chapters. God is not pleased. BUt, Job did suffer, so apparently god does not derive pleasure directly from suffering.

You said that god is pleased with obedience, and that obedience through suffering is greater than obedience with reward. Thus god derives pleasure from our suffering.

(November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)John V Wrote: No, it's due to the fact that we care more about ourselves than we do others. If we cared more about others, we would forego unnecessary pleasures and devote those resources to helping others. We don't.

That is true to an extent, but if we were omnipotent, as god is, our need to spend our resources on ourselves because we care too much about our own well-being wouldn't be a factor.

(November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)John V Wrote: You're the on rationalizing your own behavior, as expected. Regardless, being almighty has nothing to do with receiving freely given praise.

No one's talking about receiving freely given praise. We're talking about basic rights and necessities given for a maintainable existence, something which wouldn't be a burden or inconvenience to your god, yet you attempt to justify such inaction through reasons that would be of no concern to an omnipotent deity.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 1, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Sejanus - November 1, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Jacob(smooth) - November 27, 2013 at 11:09 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 10:15 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 10:25 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 1, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 1, 2013 at 11:33 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 1, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mister Agenda - November 4, 2013 at 1:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 1, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 1, 2013 at 11:40 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 2, 2013 at 12:34 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 2, 2013 at 3:21 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 2, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Minimalist - November 3, 2013 at 9:36 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by max-greece - November 2, 2013 at 3:54 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 2, 2013 at 4:33 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by pineapplebunnybounce - November 2, 2013 at 4:54 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by freedomfromforum - November 4, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by themonkeyman - November 4, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 4, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Doubting Thomas - November 4, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 4, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 4, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by GodsRevolt - November 2, 2013 at 4:57 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 2, 2013 at 8:19 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 2, 2013 at 6:26 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Drich - November 2, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 3, 2013 at 9:45 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 3, 2013 at 12:09 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 3, 2013 at 9:31 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 3, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 3, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 4, 2013 at 11:47 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Ayen - November 3, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 3, 2013 at 12:17 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Ayen - November 3, 2013 at 6:14 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 3, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 12:20 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 12:28 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 12:40 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 12:47 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 1:11 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 4, 2013 at 1:14 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 4, 2013 at 1:17 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 4, 2013 at 1:22 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 3, 2013 at 10:32 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 3, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 4, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by freedomfromforum - November 4, 2013 at 12:30 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 4, 2013 at 4:29 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 5, 2013 at 4:34 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 4, 2013 at 3:31 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 4, 2013 at 6:13 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 5, 2013 at 1:39 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 5, 2013 at 2:46 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 5, 2013 at 9:35 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 8, 2013 at 9:49 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 8, 2013 at 6:09 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 9, 2013 at 9:13 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 10, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 10, 2013 at 8:12 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 10, 2013 at 7:43 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 12, 2013 at 9:49 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 12, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 12, 2013 at 12:02 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 13, 2013 at 12:15 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 10, 2013 at 7:46 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 14, 2013 at 10:32 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 5, 2013 at 12:12 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 5, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 5, 2013 at 11:52 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 11:54 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 5, 2013 at 12:19 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 5, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 5, 2013 at 5:29 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 5, 2013 at 6:00 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 5, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 7, 2013 at 12:57 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 6, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 6, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 6, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 7, 2013 at 1:01 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 7, 2013 at 1:04 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by catfish - November 7, 2013 at 1:08 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 8, 2013 at 10:18 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 10:19 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 10:26 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 10:38 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:35 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Ayen - November 8, 2013 at 10:46 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 8, 2013 at 10:49 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Faith No More - November 8, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by ronedee - November 8, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 9, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by John V - November 9, 2013 at 10:22 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 9, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Dionysius - November 10, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 12, 2013 at 6:57 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 12, 2013 at 7:00 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Mystical - November 12, 2013 at 7:09 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 12, 2013 at 7:16 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Captain Colostomy - November 12, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 12, 2013 at 7:23 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 13, 2013 at 6:25 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 13, 2013 at 9:41 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Cinjin - November 13, 2013 at 10:13 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 13, 2013 at 5:07 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Esquilax - November 13, 2013 at 6:32 am
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bad Writer - November 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm
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RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Bob Kelso - November 14, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 6:53 am
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