RE: Yahweh, the Devil, and Job
November 8, 2013 at 12:22 pm
(This post was last modified: November 8, 2013 at 12:23 pm by Faith No More.)
(November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)John V Wrote: First, as we were originally made in his image, it's not unexpected that his traits will have some overlap with ours.
Second...who are you to say that there's a specific way that a deity would necessarily behave?
I'm judging how a deity would behave based upon the abilities attributed to it. I find it hard to swallow that an omnipotent, omniscient deity would be concerned with such petty things as praise, which come about from the finite capacity for knowledge and emotional shortcomings.
(November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)John V Wrote: Incorrect. God is pleased with faithfulness. This is clear in the account. Read the last few chapters. God is not pleased. BUt, Job did suffer, so apparently god does not derive pleasure directly from suffering.
You said that god is pleased with obedience, and that obedience through suffering is greater than obedience with reward. Thus god derives pleasure from our suffering.
(November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)John V Wrote: No, it's due to the fact that we care more about ourselves than we do others. If we cared more about others, we would forego unnecessary pleasures and devote those resources to helping others. We don't.
That is true to an extent, but if we were omnipotent, as god is, our need to spend our resources on ourselves because we care too much about our own well-being wouldn't be a factor.
(November 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm)John V Wrote: You're the on rationalizing your own behavior, as expected. Regardless, being almighty has nothing to do with receiving freely given praise.
No one's talking about receiving freely given praise. We're talking about basic rights and necessities given for a maintainable existence, something which wouldn't be a burden or inconvenience to your god, yet you attempt to justify such inaction through reasons that would be of no concern to an omnipotent deity.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell