The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.

[Lemonvariable72]

Just do the math. 1 out every 4 women as experienced a form of sexual assault. And 1 out of 65 males have experienced either an attempted rape or a completed rape by another male. So that handful of bad guys must be awfully busy or we have a problem.

And by the way, the stats stating the males may be a fifth of rape victims may be underestimated, because male victims are less likely to acknowledge or admit have have been sexually assaulted.

This is naive as hell. If one in 3-4 women is being raped in her lifetime, what does that say about the number of men raping? Is it a handful of bad guys doing all that raping? Nope. If you keep claiming this, we're going to continue to clash.

Zazzy and Bipolar, I want the citations to back up these claims. The stats you did link to, the FBI ones, paint a very different picture. Just do the math you say bipolar? Rightio:

From the FBI:
One forcible rape every 6.3 minutes in 2001 in the US. That's a busy handful of guys. I guess at about 10 rapes a day a handful of guys in every city could manage it.

Round it down to 6 mins (making it more frequent rather than less), to make the math easier. One rape every 6 mins, or 10 rapes every 60 mins, 10 an hour.

10x24 = 240 a day
240x365 = 87,600 a year

There are 313,900,000 people in the US (huh, I thought it was more like 360 millionish), according to google. Assuming an exactly 50/50 split that's 156.95 million women.

Assuming a life expectancy of 81 for females
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_03.pdf


And then assuming that each victim is a new victim, who has never before been raped, making this this highest possible estimate.

Average life expectancy x rapes a year, 7,095,600
81x87,600 = 7,095,600 over the course of a lifetime.

With only women being forcibly raped*:
100/156.95 million women x the 7.1 million victims = 4.52 %
Or, rather than it being one in 3-4, it's less than one in 20. And that's being as generous as I can possibly be, with no repeat victims and a slightly higher rate to make the math easier, with failed attempts included (but with some forms of statutory rape excluded)

Bullshit "rape culture" stats imo.

Now, I will note that bipolar said a form of sexual assault, Zazzy, you implied it was 1 in 3-4 that would be raped. That's the stat I hear thrown around as well. Doing the math on the FBI stats you provided would indicate otherwise however.




(edited to move this section out, keep all the maths together)
*Why assume all these "forcible rapes" are on females? Well if we go to if we go to http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...cible-rape we find that their definition for forcible rape is as follows:

Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.

So this stat excludes statutory rape (if there is no force) but includes attempts and assaults that don't result in a rape, despite that rapist's attempts.

Sexual attacks on males are counted as aggravated assaults or sex offenses, depending on the circumstances and the extent of any injuries.

Wow, maybe the mens rights people have more of a point than I thought, holy shit. I literally cannot believe this, I wanted the defintion of what they were calling forcible rape in those stats you linked, thinking that it would be excluding some types as it wasn't simply called "rape", wasn't expecting this...


Edit 2: more relevant stuff from the fbi site http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...cible-rape on the stats and definition

For this overview only, the FBI deviated from standard procedure and manually calculated the 2010 and 2011 rates of females raped based on the national female population provided by the U.S. Census Bureau.

There were an estimated 83,425 forcible rapes reported to law enforcement in 2011. This estimate was 2.5 percent lower than the 2010 estimate and 9.5 percent and 12.4 percent lower than the 2007 and 2002 estimates, respectively. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)

The rate of forcible rapes in 2011 was estimated at 52.7 per 100,000 female inhabitants.

Rapes by force comprised 93.0 percent of reported rape offenses in 2011, and attempts or assaults to commit rape accounted for 7.0 percent of reported rapes. (Based on Table 19.)

Which matches my maths fairly closely.

Something else I want to point out here. Most of thos statistics use the definition of sexual assualt, not rape. So while sexual assualt mean rape, it can mean a host of other things as well.

Sexual assault is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented. This includes rape (such as forced vaginal, anal or oral penetration), groping, forced kissing, child sexual abuse, or the torture of the victim in a sexual manner

And in the case of america You have to account for problematic age of consent laws as well.