The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.

[Zazzy]

I take issue with what you are saying zazzy, because it sounds to me like you are implying that most men are rapists

Well, there is a large area between "a handful of men" and "most men." I think pointing out that more men than "a handful" commit rapes is not implying that "most men" do.
@ StueDenim:
Thanks for doing the math. I think the FBI stats are based on arrests, and many rapes and sexual assaults are never reported (see stats below), or no one is ever arrested for them. The 1 in 3-4 stat (along with about a 1 in 6 stat for men) comes from rape crisis centers, who collect data from schools and colleges periodically, and it does includes sexual assault. The most recent study I could find says 1 in 7 women will be actually raped over their lifetimes, and that only 11.5% of victims reported it, which makes the FBI stats sadly low.
Studies of perpetrators say this:

•Surveys have consistently reported that college men acknowledged forced intercourse at a rate of 5-15% and college sexual aggression at a rate of 15-25% (Koss, Gidycz, and Wisniewski, 1987; Malamuth, Sockloskie, Koss, and Tanaka, 1991).

From: http://sapac.umich.edu/article/196

And this more recent study has 26.6% of college men admitting to perpetration of actual rape.
What's scary about these stat is that this is men who will admit it. If it's as low as 5%, great. If it's as high as 15%, that's not so great- and certainly not "a handful" of men. If it's as high as 26% in college, that's just fucking alarming.

Bullshit "rape culture" stats imo.

The stats above don't support that analysis.

What IS clear is that the only really available groups for statistics are high school kids, college kids, and rape crisis center victims. I would assume (hope) that the rate goes down after college, but it seems that among college age boys, this behavior is not rare. We can only know about older men from FBI stats, which of course can only take into account what is reported, and if the 11.5% stat hold true throughout women's lives, it would appear that I was wrong to post the FBI stats in the first place, since 11.5% of the data isn't terribly useful.

*Why assume all these "forcible rapes" are on females?

I never did this. Rape crisis stats pretty consistently say that 1 in 6 men under 20 (again, the only easy group to gather data on) have been sexually assaulted in some way- and also that men are even LESS likely than women to report it.

I have NEVER made an argument that dismisses the sexual assault of men. I have said several times in this thread that it's a terrible issue that so many men are assaulted/raped and that our society treats this like a joke. It's a genuine men's issue that women should (and are, apparently, since every rape crisis website I looked at had resources and stats for men) taking on.

Sexual attacks on males are counted as aggravated assaults or sex offenses, depending on the circumstances and the extent of any injuries.

This is horrible. I wonder if the victims themselves would prefer a label of "aggravated assault," or if it's a police/DA decision.

There were an estimated 83,425 forcible rapes reported to law enforcement in 2011. This estimate was 2.5 percent lower than the 2010 estimate and 9.5 percent and 12.4 percent lower than the 2007 and 2002 estimates, respectively. (See Tables 1 and 1A.)

I also saw on several rape info sites that rates of rape and sexual assault have been decreasing. That is wonderful.

Again, thanks for doing the math, and your point is taken. But I do wonder if, given the startling statistic of 11.5% reporting, the FBI's record-keeping might not be worth much. And I couldn't find a stat for how many men report, although it's probably out there, so I'll keep looking.

I of course will amend my earlier number-1 in 3-4- to include sexual assault (which is still a really bad thing), and go with the number in the more recent study, which says 1 in 7 will be actually raped. A better number, but still depressing.

I'm glad for this experience of having to go look at the primary literature, and I'll keep reading since it's damned interesting. Thank you for making me put my money where my mouth is.

An overview of what I've learned from this admittedly so far brief look into the research:
1.) College is a dangerous place for women.
2.) Almost every study available looks at alcohol use in conjunction with rape/sexual assault. It appears that the vast majority of rapes/assaults are committed by drunk men, which is not surprising, but is something to think about.
3.) There don't appear to be ANY reliable statistics for anyone not in college.

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Oh look! Another thread discussing sexism ending in a thread about rape. Never saw that before[/sarcasm]

Gentlemen and gentlewomen, place your bets on how much time untill this bunch of apes start flinging shit at eachother and the mods are forced to lock the thread!

Oh, please. This is a hot button topic, and I see some passionate disagreement, some misunderstandings, and a lot of attempts to parse data and learn. I don't see any of the people here as likely to fling shit- you calling me (us?) apes is the worst I've seen here.

And I AM an ape, thank you.