(November 10, 2013 at 10:20 am)whateverist Wrote: I never used the word "progress". We may actually agree on this point. Yes, science has done much to keep humanity "afloat". We now make up an enormous amount of the earth's biomass and we largely dictate what other creatures flourish so that they can feed us. If you are questioning whether this state of affairs is a good thing, so am I.
But that isn't a direct result of modern science. What I did claim is that modern science has given us a huge increase in understanding of how the world works. That understanding has then been exploited by any and all for their own use or profit. In that sense, science has been a Pandora's box. Time will tell if we can wisely manage its bounty. Science never will and never can provide that wisdom as it is value neutral. It can however continue to reveal causal relationships necessary to solve problems, which at least could be useful provided anyone is inclined to solve those problems.
Yes but i would say.........understanding of how the PHYSICAL world works.
Quote:I haven't made any extraordinary claims for science based on the scientific method. You on the other hand have claimed that science based on intuition is transformational. However you have conceded that there is no way for you to support this claim, unless we join you in drinking the kool aid. If you are an example of the transformation I can expect by applying the science of intuition, frankly, I'm not impressed. I would hate to become one more pompous individual convinced he had all the answers and knew what was best but unable to articulate any of that wisdom.
I can understand that you are not impressed.
As i was telling Stimbo so far you had to deal with religion dogmas and in doing this you had a field day as dogmas or false truth are easy to knock down.
When enrico pop up and show you that even you guys float in dogmas then you find everything so strange as you never had to deal with this before.
It happen that when you build up false truth and you carry these false truth all your life then you will not be very impressed when someone show you that they are just dogmas.
Understandable mate.
