Theists, some questions

[TheBeardedDude]

But that seems to indicate that the morality of an action is conditional, which is what I was saying. You are admitting that there are occasions when an action can be moral, and when that same action can be immoral. Lying is typically considered an immoral act, but I think that many people would consider it moral if a person lied in order to protect innocent people from wicked people who sought to harm them. Therefore, lying cannot be moral or immoral in and of itself; it is dependent on context.

Lies:

Lies have to do with the truth and who has the right to that truth. In the situation where someone is trying to harm a group of people and you lie to protect them it is arguable that the person trying to do harm does not have a right to know where those people are.

Another way to look at this is having to do with our own privacy. A form of a lie is the withholding of a truth. But again, it comes down to whether or not the person you are withholding the truth from has the right to know. I am trying to learn piano, but I have not been practicing they way I should. Does this mean that every conversation I get into with everyone I meet I should tell them that I haven't been practicing the piano?

No.

I have a right to my privacy, to withhold that truth from people on the street. Now, if someone is paying me to learn the piano and has hired some great pianist and is expecting me to perform for some reason and if this is something that I have agreed to and promised that I will be doing then that person has the right to know what my practice habits are and if I have been slacking.

So, if we are looking for some common ground between us, I would that the morality of certain actions can conditional on the intent, circumstances, and consequences. But certain acts are absolutely immoral (lying to someone who has a right to the truth).

Is there any of this that you disagree with?

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I'll try to just address the upper portion of this since Tonus has a good response to the latter.

If you trust that all actions by God must be moral, then everything God has ever done and will ever do (or will ever ask anyone to do) must then be moral, no?

This is me taking the bait in all good will:

Yes :cookie:

Then morality is a failed concept in religion. Because the flood was an act of immense evil and if religion views it as moral, then religion (and god) pursue a standard for good and evil that make it impossible to distinguish between the two.

Ergo, God is more evil than any persons living or dead combined (I'll include the supposed existence of Satan too)