RE: Theists, some questions
November 13, 2013 at 3:12 am
(This post was last modified: November 13, 2013 at 3:38 am by GodsRevolt.)
(November 11, 2013 at 9:42 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Well, if morals are absolute, then it shouldn't matter if god is equal to man or not, right? An absolute moral system doesn't change depending on who is performing the action. What you're pimping for here is a might makes right system, which is just scary, not to mention relativistic.
I think the phrase would be more accurate here if you said, "The Almighty makes right."
(November 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: I'm not presupposing that God = man
But I am presupposing that a moral system from a god would mean man striving to be like God as a way of achieving equal morality. A tyrant like Stalin or Hitler would therefore be quite godlike (Abrahamic God at least, probably Greek and Roman gods too)
"Striving" being the key word here.
Because you cannot see what the Omnipotent sees you can never act on complete certainty.
And, again assuming that we are talking about the Christian God and the theology behind the Christian God, God is the one that gave life to all mankind, God takes away life and is the only way that life and decides what will happen to the soul (the eternal part of you) after death. - This means that every time someone dies (which we all will!) your theory would have to call God a murderer. EVERYTIME! Not just the flood.
But He is the One that gave the life and everything that sustained that life to begin with. He creates life, but gets no credit for that???? A little too convent in your moral code.
There is no way for man to strive to that level of power. We cannot create life and then sustain in this same way. Who are we to question Him when He made everything that we are and have? It is quite humbling when you think about it, as it should be.
So the only way for God to live up to your moral code is to give everyone immortality without ever having to recognize His power (which is called heaven - where the immortal soul goes) or just not create life in the first place. Or would that be immoral as well?
Now, in reverse, the only thing you need to do to live up to God's moral code is to be a little more humble and open.
God gives and God takes away, and when God speaks, you listen.
(November 12, 2013 at 10:12 am)Tonus Wrote:(November 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: So, if we are looking for some common ground between us, I would that the morality of certain actions can conditional on the intent, circumstances, and consequences. But certain acts are absolutely immoral (lying to someone who has a right to the truth).
Is there any of this that you disagree with?
I will agree with that, yes. There are specific acts which are always immoral, and therefore absolute morals exist. Killing an innocent person without cause or necessity would strike me as an inherently immoral act. Would you agree with that?
Killing innocents as immoral? Yes
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton