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Theists, some questions
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RE: Theists, some questions
(November 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote:
(November 13, 2013 at 9:36 am)Tonus Wrote: And yet there are Biblical stories where god, either directly or through others, is responsible for the death of innocent people. Job's children and workers are massacred by Satan with god's tacit approval. Numerous nations in the land promised to the Israelites are slaughtered to the last woman and child (with occasional exceptions allowing virgin girls to be taken as wives). Nearly the entire world by a flood.

Either god committed immoral acts, or some other explanation must be given. The first is seemingly the easiest, though I find it unconvincing (the devil killed those people!) but the others require explanations that I consider to be too much of a stretch (there were no innocents to spare). Remember that we're talking about an act that is absolutely immoral, which is to say that there cannot be a circumstance in which it is a moral act. Is god immoral, or does his authority render an immoral act moral?

Once again, you drag God down to the place of men. Morality is here to help humans interact with each other in a way that is best for everyone. The morals for Man are absolute.

Remember the immortal soul.
God creates life and acts for the good of all man. It is absolutely wrong for man to kill an innocent because man has no authority over the immortal soul or life on this Earth. The absolute of absolutes here is God's authority. If God takes an innocent from this life, what do you suppose happens to that innocent? Something unjust? Something immoral?

EVEN if I take the life of an innocent, what happens to that innocent?

What happens is the ultimate good. If you could give a child everlasting good, would that be immoral in your eyes? But you do not have that authority, so you must act in a way equal to your authority. And you do not have the authority to kill.

He has power and understanding that we cannot understand. He sees the big picture, what we should strive to see. That it is what gives God absolute authority.

(November 13, 2013 at 11:06 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: So, your view is that since god gets to make life, he gets the special privilege to take it away to and it not be the immoral actions of a tyrannical asshole?

People granted some human dictators the same leeway too, "he protects us from the evils of the world that we can't handle, so he has every right to be so hard and cruel to us." A celestial North Korea indeed.

Dictators do not equal God.

Define tyrannical asshole. You assume that authority is intrinsically evil. This is a fallacy. Just because someone is in charge does not make them an "asshole."

Being in charge and and using that station to take life as you see fit, is being a tyrannical asshole.

What does it say about morality, if the average person could be seen as more moral and kind than a god who kills at will? (not unlike a serial killer)
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Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 21, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 21, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - October 22, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Minimalist - October 22, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 22, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tripwire - January 31, 2014 at 12:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Mothonis - October 22, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 23, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 23, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - October 23, 2013 at 5:34 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - October 23, 2013 at 8:25 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Minimalist - October 22, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 7:07 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 22, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 22, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by max-greece - October 23, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 22, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Zazzy - October 22, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - October 23, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 23, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Einharjar - October 25, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 27, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 27, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 27, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 27, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - October 28, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 28, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - October 28, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 28, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 29, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 7, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - November 7, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 9, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 11, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 12, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 7, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 5, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 10:18 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 5, 2013 at 10:23 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 11, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 11, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 3:12 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 13, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 10:19 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 14, 2013 at 10:34 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 13, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 13, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 14, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 12:23 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 15, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - November 15, 2013 at 6:30 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Doubting Thomas - November 15, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 16, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 15, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by KichigaiNeko - November 13, 2013 at 8:01 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 14, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 14, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by quantum_obedience - November 14, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by quantum_obedience - November 14, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by frankiej - November 14, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 15, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 15, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 15, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - November 16, 2013 at 1:44 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 15, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by anonymous108 - January 24, 2014 at 10:32 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Angrboda - January 30, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Whateverist - January 24, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - January 30, 2014 at 7:15 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 4:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Angrboda - January 30, 2014 at 4:07 pm

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