Theists, some questions

[Esquilax]

This is a fallacy.

Just because there are rules to follow does not mean that there are no morals. There is no connection here.

There is a connection if you believe everything god says must necessarily be moral; if you're going to automatically assume everything god says is morally justified, then you have no morals but what god tells you, and if god tells you something immoral- baby killing!- then you're bound to consider it moral regardless.

Orders are not 'in and of themselves' immoral. They can go either way. Choosing to follow orders is not an intrinsically immoral action either.

Sure, but if your view is that, because god says this, it is moral, then you've divorced yourself from having any kind of moral conversation. You said it yourself: to you, "almighty makes right." So my question to you was, would you kill someone if ordered to by god. If you would, then you are clearly immoral, and our conversation is over. If you wouldn't, then you're demonstrating my point: morality has no connection with what god says, and at most, he's a messenger.

Because I get the feeling you blanch at the idea of murdering someone, on god's orders or not. Is that just down to the sin in your heart, or do you actually have a moral system that transcends the dictates of someone else, powerful or not?

Are you suggesting that because you make your own rules in life you are more righteous then me? Because, if you are, then for me to be AS righteous as you I would have to follow YOUR rules, which would mean I would be taking orders again. No win for me, all righteousness for you.

I'm saying I'm more moral for assessing situations and dealing with them in accordance with an independent set of morals and physical facts, than the person who considers something moral because "god sez." I'm saying it's not a matter of a set of rules at all, but what's moral in a given context, scenario, and set of physical laws. You're opting to be blind to that, because the voice in your head decided something else.