Believers don't believe

[Edwardo Piet]

Yes, the Truth will set you free, (from eternal damnation) Jesus was saying "live your life while you can, because on judgement day, it's all over for you."

I wasn't talking about eternal damnation. I don't care what Jesus was saying. I just think "the truth will set you free". I'm honest about my cherry-picking. The difference is I don't actually believe in the truth of God, miracles or the supernatural of any kind. And I know HOW I choose nice bits. Its not because of the bible, God, Jesus, miracles, the supernatural, etc. Its because of me.

Roughly 90% of the world believe in God, and that stat is from 2005. For some reason, I don't see human civilization giving up hope in God any time soon.

Thats not what I said though is it? I said IF we can I think we should give it up. Not that everyone's gonna suddenly turn atheist.

Claiming something is not there when it could possibly well be there is a delusion. That is called, living in a world of denial, and nowhere near reality.

I don't claim to 100% know there is no God. I claim that God's extremely improbable. I believe in any God for the same reason I don't believe in Zeus. No evidence. The burden of proof is on the believer. AGAIN you completely misunderstand the burden of proof.

Gee, Do I believe in atoms? Why of course I do. Have you read the bible lately? It says, "God prepared the worlds with things that cannot be seen." What created the universe? Invisible atoms?

Well then you have completely contradicted yourself. Because my whole point was I was criticising the fact that you said that abogenesis can't be right because life can't just come from non-life. Now you say it can. Why would you need a God to do this? Wouldn't postulating an extremely complex and improbable designer of which there is no evidence of and who then makes stuff with atoms, to be more improbable than to simply cut the God part out? The God explanation creates a far bigger and more improbable problem that the one it solves. You're simply making it much much more improbable.

Science laughed and scoffed at the bible verse. They claimed, "How could invisible materials create the Universe??" lol. Who's laughing now?

Me anyway, at least. I cannot speak for others Its not remotely evidence of God or the truth of the bible. If you consider that evidence then I have no idea how you can justify simply proclaiming to have used to be like me and ask the same questions as me.

The end times rapture will be a glorious event for believers.

That's in no way to say that there's any reason that it will actually happen. Its just another claim based upon zero evidence.

The end times will be a joyous event! Hardly a harmful belief.

Like you just said. Glorious for the believers. So if you believe that then that wouldn't include atheists now would it? So thats highly immoral for a start. The whole thing is selfish. And does this just mean believers in your God, in Christianity, or in all religions? And like you said "believers" so its immoral to not include atheists. And like I said no evidence.

I don't think even Dawkins would stoop as low as to use the Lord's name in vain. Atheists lose so much credibility in debate sessions when they do that.

Hey, thats simply a matter of swearing. And wtf are you talking about? I censored it!!! Some people here don't, at least so much. Would you rather I didn't censor?

He is the only God. I'm not aware of other gods? Unless you're talking about people like Thor, Zeus, Odin.. those were men claiming god-like divinity. They were not gods.. they were mortal men that lived and died, and never seen again. And now these religions are nothing but mythological stories. Jehovah is the only one true supernatural God that is an eternal force that was never created, and will never die. All of these ancient gods of the past have died and gone... finished!! but Lord Jehovah's name still stand on the top of the world nearly 4,000 years later!

You just dismissed those God's without a shred of evidence. Sorry but guess what - you're an atheist about Zeus for example, as I am about your God. They were not Gods, they were just men claiming god-like divinity, indeed. Same goes for your God, Its just what you believe, there is no evidence for it. If there is, please give me some. if you can! Its just bullshit as far as I'm concerned.

There is only one God. Believe in the one God that promises he shall never die, and human kind shall face him one day. He made the promise.. why would you risk your afterlife to be excruciating torment and misery for eternity?

No evidence. I'm not risking my afterlife anymore than you are. Pascal's wager falls on its face completely. At least I'm not spending my life believing in stuff without evidence of truth in those beliefs. At least I'm not wasting my life believing in delusion.

There are no livable planets other than Earth. Scientists believe they have found life on other planets, and you get these idiot U.F.O fanatics that believe they are talking about aliens. lol.

Yeah you do get some weird U.F.O fanatics. But they don't speak for science. Scientists simply say that because of the size of the universe, It would probably be highly improbable for life to not exist on ANY planet other than our own.

Where did you come to that conclusion? Do you know how absurd that makes you look?

to the contrary. I have explained the burden of proof to you many times and you still don't understand it. I've told you several times already how I've come to that conclusion. But you have either completely misunderstood me or you've just ignored me. How absurd do you think that makes you look to suggest I'm absurd when I've explained how I've come to that conclusion many times before, but you have either ignored me or not understood me? And also, by the way, God is highly improbable because he requires a much bigger explanation than the one he is supposed to give. If the universe can be created by a superbeing and its improbable if this WASN'T so. How improbable is it that such a superbeing just came from nowhere? A God capable of designing a highly complex and improbable universe would have to be much much more improbable and complex himself.

And you know this.. how? What scientist blessed you with such vast knowledge about our Universe?

There's no scientific evidence. Scientists who believe in God tend to think God is seperate from evidence. But thats silly because I could then say that Zeus is separate from evidence. Would that mean that Zeus could easily exist? That he's probable? No. There's no evidence and he's highly improbable.

Sorry, but the universe being created from nothing is highly improbable.

I'm not saying that it was created from nothing. I'm saying that whereever the univese comes from; its much more likely that it developed naturally from something simple with no mind and intelligence. Than it was created by something far more complex and improbable than the universe itself.

It's been proven. Just open your eyes..

Your simply proclaiming that. You haven't given me a shred of evidence yet.

No, it's not about taking the bible literally, it's called, "people cannot translate ancient writing with modern english." For instance, I had an atheist tell me, "Jesus said we MUST HATE our parents in order to be his Disciple!" I cannot begin to explain how absurd that looks! Jesus used the word, "Sin'ah" in that verse, and Sin'ah means, "To Love lesser than." All Jesus was saying is, "we are to place God before anyone."

Well your interpretation here is literal then if that's what it actually says, isn't it? I'm not talking about misunderstanding the bible. I'm talking about actually believing what it says in the bible. And not simply cherry-picking. Whenever you cherry pick that's because you don't actually believe, or want to believe the bad parts isn't it? So thats not truly believing what the bible says. Its picking and choosing.

I haven't. Gee, maybe I'm not a true Disciple?

I'm not saying that you literally believe the whole thing, that you're a fundamentalist. Some things at least you appear to believe. And the point is that you pick and choose. You don't believe the whole thing. These people do, they are not mistaken. They believe the whole thing, they believe all of God's world. That's what truly believing is like. Not just cherry-picking whatever you want. Its obviously a good job you do cherry-pick! But that's not truly believing the bible then is it?

If you lived in ancient Israel, you would have followed the same laws. Don't play that card with me, it won't work. Of course human civilization has changed in the last 4,000 years. lol. Why are you comparing Apples to Oranges?

The point is you don't believe the whole thing then. You cherry-pick. So morality is not in the bible its in people. God's word doesn't mean shit. You just reject the nasty ideas in it out of your own free will. Its got nothing to do with "God".

Actually, Yes he did. When it came to war and fighting, and unjustified killings. Jesus told his people, "You have heard it in the past that you are to hate your enemies, but verily I say unto you, Love your enemies, and pray for those who curse you."

But he also said in Matthew 5:17: " Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil" and 5:18: "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." From the King James Bible.

I believe every single entire word of the bible, but I also believe it was written for ancient man, and they were commanded by God to do whatever it takes to protect their land.

You really think thats the best an omniscient being could come up with? You think that was appropriate for the times? Don't you think without all the horror in the bible it would have been a better book? And if it actually got its priorities right it would have been a better book?

The Holy Bible has over 330 fulfilled prophecies to date. That is outstanding! No wonder it's the number one selling book in the history of mankind.

What prophecies have been fullfied exactly? And do you include all the horrible stuff that the bible approves of?

Define 'Cherry Picking.' Because I show verses in the bible that express Love and Compassion? And you believe that is considered "cherry picking?" What about you? I'm sure atheists are not guilty of doing that!! No way!!!

by pick and choose I mean rather than just believing every word of the bible and approving of all the propositions in it, including the horrible ones. You just pick the stuff you like and throw out the bad. Yes I of course do that, but I not only admit that, but I don't actually believe any of the nonsense. I merely look at things like the golden rule and think "thats nice, not the word of God but its still nice, and its not original to Jesus". I don't claim that it knows what its talking about and then just choose the stuff I want to actually believe and throw out the stuff that I don't believe. I don't believe in the truth of any of it. And I'm honest about that.

I believe everything written in the bible has a purpose. Ancient man was describing their culture. Who are YOU to judge them? They lived thousands and thousands of years ago... why are you so affected by this?

Why do you believe it has a purpose? And by the way, sorry, I typoed I didn't mean to say "do you think faith belief=belief?" I meant "do you think fake belief=belief." That you can just choose belief. Belief is not a matter of policy, so why do you believe it has a purpose? I'll tell you why I can judge them, because there's no reason to believe them. They're just making stupid claims about the supernatural that they have not given any evidence of. You STILL don't understand the burden of proof.

I believe God commited mass-genocide in the O.T. I'm not ashamed of that. He warned people over and over, and they didn't listen.. so he took care of business, as usual.

Not only is there no evidence of God inside or outside of the bible. But you're actually advocating this? You're approving of this? If God existed you think he would be right to commit mass-genocide because people won't listen to him? That's f**king unbelievably immoral.

I cannot count how many times you called me "delusional" in this post.. But I gotta warn you, flattery won't work.

Well sorry but your beliefs certainly come across as delusional. What you appear to be advocating often comes across as breathtakingly delusional. And if its flattering you, sure I'll persist because it certainly seems true given what you have said.